mwhealton
Active Member
Which forum should I use to find if a particular recording is available in a multichannel format? In question here is a BBC broadcast in quad that may or may not have ever been transferred to tape or disk or file.
BBC Quad (H) broadcast of Shakti Concert: WAS: Where to post "Looking for {X} in surround?" {given unusual circumstances}
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jefe1
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mwhealton
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Thank you Pupster. That thread helps, but has a general scope by and large. So I'll proceed here for a bit.
The question is motivated because someone replied to me in a FaceBook thread that he had recorded off air a BBC concert of Shakti in quad.
I found a site that lists the BBC broadcasts with the formats, along other non-BBC broadcasts and some tape releases:
http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadradi.htm
That site lists a Shakti concert, in BBC Matrix HJ encoding. Presumably it is the same concert the FaceBook person recorded in Quad on tape.
BBC In Concert 28/5/77 (b'cast)60m FM (rec. 12/5/77)
More answers perhaps tomorrow..
I'd love to find a multichannel digital version in a recent file or disk format!
The question is motivated because someone replied to me in a FaceBook thread that he had recorded off air a BBC concert of Shakti in quad.
I found a site that lists the BBC broadcasts with the formats, along other non-BBC broadcasts and some tape releases:
http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadradi.htm
That site lists a Shakti concert, in BBC Matrix HJ encoding. Presumably it is the same concert the FaceBook person recorded in Quad on tape.
- SHAKTI with JOHN McLAUGHLIN -
BBC In Concert 153. CN 2861/S (HJ)
BBC In Concert 28/5/77 (b'cast)60m FM (rec. 12/5/77)
More answers perhaps tomorrow..
I'd love to find a multichannel digital version in a recent file or disk format!
Keep us posted! That could be good . . .
http://www.pspatialaudio.com/quad_ambi.htm&
http://www.pspatialaudio.com/matrix_h.htm&
http://www.pspatialaudio.com/min_sys_req.htm
Might be helpful for decoding some of the historical Matrix formats (QS, SQ, H).
Kirk Bayne
http://www.pspatialaudio.com/matrix_h.htm&
http://www.pspatialaudio.com/min_sys_req.htm
Might be helpful for decoding some of the historical Matrix formats (QS, SQ, H).
Kirk Bayne
This:
leads to this:
http://www.eclipse67.com/bbch.htm
--which says that the Matrix H broadcast of the Shakti show was never distributed or released on media. BUT (it also says): the very same show seems to have released on the (apparently unencoded) stereo transcription disc on this list:
http://www.eclipse67.com/bbci.htm
So...it seems that what @mlwheaton's recorded in quad off the air is a rarity.
leads to this:
http://www.eclipse67.com/bbch.htm
--which says that the Matrix H broadcast of the Shakti show was never distributed or released on media. BUT (it also says): the very same show seems to have released on the (apparently unencoded) stereo transcription disc on this list:
http://www.eclipse67.com/bbci.htm
So...it seems that what @mlwheaton's recorded in quad off the air is a rarity.
mwhealton
Active Member
A quick reply and update:
I gave the person who recorded the Shakti Concert a link to QQ yesterday.
I'll try to get them / him to join and follow this thread today. It will be great if that works out!
Here is what I think is the key comment made so far on the FB thread:
"I set up a quad system at uni for the first BBC matrix h quad broadcast...Shakti...I still have the tape. I have lots of these early quad albums (including Mike Oldfield's Boxed). Really enjoying the surround sound remixes on Amazon music..can't wait for Caravanserai!".
So it is possible the tape is encoded in quad in some format or other.
I gave the person who recorded the Shakti Concert a link to QQ yesterday.
I'll try to get them / him to join and follow this thread today. It will be great if that works out!
Here is what I think is the key comment made so far on the FB thread:
"I set up a quad system at uni for the first BBC matrix h quad broadcast...Shakti...I still have the tape. I have lots of these early quad albums (including Mike Oldfield's Boxed). Really enjoying the surround sound remixes on Amazon music..can't wait for Caravanserai!".
So it is possible the tape is encoded in quad in some format or other.
That would be simply marvellous if it were at one point encoded to quad. Hey, maybe something for Dutton Vocalion to look into?
The concert itself is stunning. My enthusiasm for it should not be surprising given my screen name...
The concert itself is stunning. My enthusiasm for it should not be surprising given my screen name...
what's he referring to there?
furui_suterioo
Quad & 70s Enthusiast
That would be awesome if they would share an upload of the supposed quad tape, some of the other quad BBC transcriptions are available on YT.
mwhealton
Active Member
Ssully, hopefully he will tell us, I did not pursue that aspect, being focused on the Shakti concert. (The Caravanserai bit was in reply to me stating that the first two Santana albums have been released in multichannel recently by Sony).
The Shakti Concert in May 77 would be in BBC MATRIX H Quad , not HJ.
The BBC did not start utilizing HJ Quad until sometime after September of 77 , and even then some of the latter 77 quad encodes were still in BBC Matrix H.
The BBC did not start utilizing HJ Quad until sometime after September of 77 , and even then some of the latter 77 quad encodes were still in BBC Matrix H.
Soundfield
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
I've no idea who Shakti or John McLaughlin are but out of interest and to end any unnecessary speculation, I did a simple search, as anyone could, of the BBC Genome (the definitive reference source for all BBC broadcasts) for that date and it plainly shows that the Radio One early evening schedule included the following:
That's my BBC H and HJ quad information for collectors , thanks for posting the link @pupster.
That was on during my first year Uni exams, but I didn't have a stereo tuner then anyway, if I'd known I'd have asked my Dad to record it then. Damn!
Does anyone here have expertise in decoding MATRIX H to discrete channels?
furui_suterioo
Quad & 70s Enthusiast
Here is a YT video of CN 2861/S
Have you tried a decode of this one?
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