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Dutton Epoch Announces 6 Surround Sound SACD Classical Music Releases (October 19, 2019)

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I forgot to add in my post last week that the new Copland/Chavez disc also includes a SACD stereo-only bonus track: a 17-minute recording of Copland rehearsing Appalachian Spring that originally came as a bonus two-sided 7" 33rpm EP included with the stereo LP of the album. Given that the CD layer of this disc is well over 83 minutes, that means the SACD stereo layer is in excess of 100 - if that's not value for money, I don't know what is.
 

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I ordered three of these last night and they've been shipped already!
They are the EP Biggs Bach the Chavez and Appalachian Spring and the MTT 2 cd. Looking forward to hearing Carmina Burana in full surround compared to my SQ record.

So now my question is which case will come cracked?
 
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I ordered three of these last night and they've been shipped already!
They are the EP Biggs Bach the Chavez and Appalachian Spring and the MMT 2 cd. Looking forward to hearing Carmina Burana in full surround compared to my SQ record.

So now my question is which case will come cracked?
Jefe, I received 9 of my 21 discs today from D~V and NOT a cracked case in the bunch. I will spin them later including Carmina Burana.
 

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I've bought the Schoenberg Gurre-Lieder 2CD set (among others) and it's interesting how it also includes, as a bonus, Roussel's Symphony No. 3. The back of the box informs us that the latter is taken from the original LP M 34201 (1976) "Boulez Conducts Dukas La Péri and Roussel Symphony No. 3". My question is, so what happened to Dukas's La Péri? It seems odd to go to the trouble of borrowing (and licensing) the master tape of M 34201 but only to use half of it. Do you think Mr Dutton is keeping the other half up his sleeve to use as filler on some other SACD in future or has he already used it on a previous release that I don't know about?

As someone who rips their SACDs and plays them back from a PC, I like re-creating the track listing of the original LPs so it would be fun to have the other half of M 34201.
 

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I've bought the Schoenberg Gurre-Lieder 2CD set (among others) and it's interesting how it also includes, as a bonus, Roussel's Symphony No. 3. The back of the box informs us that the latter is taken from the original LP M 34201 (1976) "Boulez Conducts Dukas La Péri and Roussel Symphony No. 3". My question is, so what happened to Dukas's La Péri? It seems odd to go to the trouble of borrowing (and licensing) the master tape of M 34201 but only to use half of it. Do you think Mr Dutton is keeping the other half up his sleeve to use as filler on some other SACD in future or has he already used it on a previous release that I don't know about?

As someone who rips their SACDs and plays them back from a PC, I like re-creating the track listing of the original LPs so it would be fun to have the other half of M 34201.
It's not the first time they've done this - on the disc with Ein Heldenleben (https://www.duttonvocalion.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=CDLX7347), they added the Brahms Alto Rhapsody, which was originally side 4 of the Brahms German Requiem: https://www.discogs.com/Brahms-Cotrubas-Prey-Minton-New-Philharmonia-Orchestra-Chorus-Ambrosian-Singers-Lorin-Maazel-Ein-Deu/release/8235101. However, this slate of releases does complete at least one LP, offering the Hary Janos Suite that originally went with the Lt. Kije Suite on https://www.discogs.com/Kodály-Prokofieff-Eugene-OrmandyPhiladelphia-Orchestra-Two-Favorite-Musical-Fables-Háry-János-Lie/release/1749546.
 

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I forgot to add in my post last week that the new Copland/Chavez disc also includes a SACD stereo-only bonus track: a 17-minute recording of Copland rehearsing Appalachian Spring that originally came as a bonus two-sided 7" 33rpm EP included with the stereo LP of the album. Given that the CD layer of this disc is well over 83 minutes, that means the SACD stereo layer is in excess of 100 - if that's not value for money, I don't know what is.
By the way, I'd encourage D-V to do more of this if possible - have SACD-only bonus tracks to complete an album where it's just a short piece that would otherwise be left off.
 

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It's not the first time they've done this - on the disc with Ein Heldenleben (https://www.duttonvocalion.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=CDLX7347), they added the Brahms Alto Rhapsody, which was originally side 4 of the Brahms German Requiem: https://www.discogs.com/Brahms-Cotrubas-Prey-Minton-New-Philharmonia-Orchestra-Chorus-Ambrosian-Singers-Lorin-Maazel-Ein-Deu/release/8235101. However, this slate of releases does complete at least one LP, offering the Hary Janos Suite that originally went with the Lt. Kije Suite on https://www.discogs.com/Kodály-Prokofieff-Eugene-OrmandyPhiladelphia-Orchestra-Two-Favorite-Musical-Fables-Háry-János-Lie/release/1749546.
Thanks, ubertrout. I'm certainly not complaining about getting all this value for money. Maybe we'll eventually get everything that was issued in quad on Columbia Masterworks and then those of us who rip the SACDs can have a fine old time rearranging the content to mirror the original LPs.

Incidentally, I'm new to Columbia Masterworks and would be interested to know if these LPs were issued in the UK and if so under what label.
 

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Thanks, ubertrout. I'm certainly not complaining about getting all this value for money. Maybe we'll eventually get everything that was issued in quad on Columbia Masterworks and then those of us who rip the SACDs can have a fine old time rearranging the content to mirror the original LPs.

Incidentally, I'm new to Columbia Masterworks and would be interested to know if these LPs were issued in the UK and if so under what label.
It might have been CBS records in the UK? Not an expert on these things. I know there was some early weirdness where there was a UK Columbia Records which became EMI in the 1920s or 30s.
 

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Hey Mods:

Could we start a poll for CDLX 7366 - Chávez, Four Suns and Copland, Appalachian Spring? (I'm not sure which of you worthies typically open up poll threads: @JonUrban ? @rtbluray ? @bmoura ?)

Thanks!
 
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With my limited understanding of the genre, I found the Chavez part difficult to get my head around, but I thought the Appalachian Spring portion was really superb - really lively, energetic (but still melodic) music, and the smaller group format combined with a very discrete quad mix meant that in some of the call-and-response sections you get an almost (and I mean this in a good way) ping-pong quad effect. Like the recent Epoch Gershwin disc, this is probably one I'd return to if I was in the mood for some classical in the future - maybe I just have an ear for more modern styles?
 

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With my limited understanding of the genre, I found the Chavez part difficult to get my head around, but I thought the Appalachian Spring portion was really superb - really lively, energetic (but still melodic) music, and the smaller group format combined with a very discrete quad mix meant that in some of the call-and-response sections you get an almost (and I mean this in a good way) ping-pong quad effect. Like the recent Epoch Gershwin disc, this is probably one I'd return to if I was in the mood for some classical in the future - maybe I just have an ear for more modern styles?
Carlos Chavez was somewhat well-known 60s and 70s, but he's rarely touched anymore - this is the only recording of these works. Still glad this saw the light of day.
 

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Funnily enough I am listening to the Chavez now. If you like Sun Ra then you have the temperament to enjoy this music.

My three new DV discs arrived today. And no broken cases! The tiniest hint of a crack on the Chafez disc below the UPC code. More like a scratch.
I guess it helped that Michael Dutton wrapped my package between soft pillows and had it personally escorted overseas.

But hey I have one complaint here. This disc clocks out to only 99:38 minutes. You mean you couldn't put 100 minutes of music on this disc?
What a skinflint.

I look forward to more DV discs (Christmas is coming). And Mr Dutton, I will be clocking them.
 

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Hey Mods:

Could we start a poll for CDLX 7366 - Chávez, Four Suns and Copland, Appalachian Spring? (I'm not sure which of you worthies typically open up poll threads: @JonUrban ? @rtbluray ? @bmoura ?)

Thanks!
I will create the poll, but you have to help me title it. It has to be short and sweet. In the format:

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE [SACD]

It can't be too long as it has to fit. I am at a loss with this classical stuff, esp when there's so much on one disc.

HELP!!!
 

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I will create the poll, but you have to help me title it. It has to be short and sweet. In the format:

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE [SACD]

It can't be too long as it has to fit. I am at a loss with this classical stuff, esp when there's so much on one disc.

HELP!!!
Okay--thanks. How about:

Carlos Chávez/Aaron Copland - THE FOUR SUNS/APPALACHIAN SPRING [SACD]

That covers the major work for each composer-conductor on the album. Longer than:

XTC as the Dukes of Stratosphear - PSURROUNDABOUT RIDE [Blu-Ray Audio]

-- but not as long as:

King Crimson - IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING (2019 50th Anniversary Mix) [Blu-Ray Audio]
 

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Carlos Chavez was somewhat well-known 60s and 70s, but he's rarely touched anymore - this is the only recording of these works. Still glad this saw the light of day.
Oh yes, I am too, don't get me wrong - my mention of the Chavez was more to highlight that my own shortcomings as a listener were preventing me from "getting" it, and nothing more. I couldn't be happier that these more obscure recordings are being made available, especially if, as you say, this is the only recording of these works. I often like to discuss music with my friends who are less in to it than I am, and often the topic of them "not getting" certain genres of music (like jazz, for example) will come up, and what I've said to them is that understanding a genre to my mind is a lot like understanding a dialect or language. I didn't understand the more complex varieties of jazz either when I was younger (and there is still some stuff that's too out there for me, even now) but I cut my musical teeth on bands like Chicago and Blood, Sweat & Tears, groups that featured a lot of jazz influences, jazzy playing, and even a few straight up jazz interludes, like the breakdown that leads in to the trumpet solo in Spinning Wheel, for example. By mixing jazz with pop and rock, music that I understood on a much more intrinsic level, those kinds of groups made music that acted almost like a Rosetta Stone for me to be able to slowly work my way outward from there in to progressively more adventurous and unconventional artists. With the Chavez, I feel like it's effectively in a language that I'm not conversant in, but the experience was still an interesting one - with so much music I listen to, I know exactly what the artist is trying to accomplish, or I've heard the recording a million times, but with this I was sort of on my heels trying to make sense of what the composer was trying to accomplish. With all the various rumblings and dissonant sounds, it almost felt like I was listening to the primeval roots of music, like one of those documentaries about how the earth was created with lots of violent natural events, shifting tectonic plates, spewing lava, and so on.

I will create the poll, but you have to help me title it. It has to be short and sweet. In the format:

ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE [SACD]

It can't be too long as it has to fit. I am at a loss with this classical stuff, esp when there's so much on one disc.

HELP!!!
I'd suggest something like CHAVEZ: FOUR SUNS/SELECTIONS FROM PIRAMIDE & COPLAND: APPALACHIAN SPRING [SACD] - you could drop the 'selections from' part if the title runs too long?
 

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Carlos Chavez was somewhat well-known 60s and 70s, but he's rarely touched anymore - this is the only recording of these works. Still glad this saw the light of day.
Linn Records actually released another Copland & Chávez program just a few months ago: Pan-American Reflections, pairing Copland’s 3d Symphony with Chávez’s 2d (“Sinfonía India”). Unfortunately it’s only an RBCD. Although Linn used to release multi-channel SACDs (hall-ambient only, but still), they stopped a while ago. They do sell this one as a 24/192 “Studio Master” FLAC download, though--at a steep price--if you gotta have the super-hirez.
 
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