Oh, add to that, there are no native DSD DAC chips in the newer products. They're a combo chip and usually convert to PCM.
I invited Thomas over to QQ. Let's see if he joins the discussion so we can have more confusion.
Only joking regarding the confusion.
So the SACD and BD mixes are identical, yet sound different, and that's because BD is 'clearer' (especially when listening through *headphones*).
Oh, audiophiles, the things you say....
How about, someone record (digitize) a few channels (like front or rear L/R) from one track, from the analog out, playing both the SACD and the BD. Record them both at some high rate like 96Hz/24bit just so you don't miss too much all-important ultrasonic content, or any of low level tape hiss between songs. Then compare them with audio analysis software like Audition or Audacity. The differences claimed should be easily visible/quantifiable.
Damn you guys! I just reordered the BD off of Amazon. Now, I'll have to hear the difference for myself. The positive to all this? I no longer have to get up and change the disc to hear the second part.
From what I understood is that he was comparing the stereo mixes. It makes sense that the BD and SACD would sound different due to two different (DSD versus PCM) mastering formats. No?
Oh, add to that, there are no native DSD DAC chips in the newer products. They're a combo chip and usually convert to PCM.
You're right! I'm done comparing sound qualities of different DAC's and formats. Well, actually, I gave up a long time ago. Though, I still have my opinion, it's the music that counts.
Thomas who? If it's Hooper he seems like a really nice guy from most of what I seen of his online conduct etc., on a one-to-one level I don't know him from a bar of soap..
Not sure but when he replies to me, I see Thomas in his name. Don't know if it's his first or last. Or, perhaps, doubting Thomas?
It really depends on how it was mastered to the format. I have found PCM to sound better than DSD with similar tracks and vise-versa.
Just a friendly suggestion, you've got all the right ideas.. how about getting the disc and doing all that analysis yourself?
Listening to the music on the Yellow Brick Road Blu is even more fun than pouring over graphs and charts, etc., imho.
Well, friend, if really care to see the analysis done, why don't you 'get' the disc for me?
But I'm allowed to listen to it *while* I pour [sic] over graphs, aren't I. Double the fun!
I could be wrong but I don't think Mr. Thomas will be joining QQ anytime soon. I'm sure he's reading all your comments and decided to stay clear, for which, I don't blame him. Regardless, he seems like a nice chap and I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I'm sure he's the loveliest chap since lovely chaps were invented.
Unfortunately, he's got it in for BD-A with a vengeance and spouts off about it at every opportunity because he's an SACD fanboy with the blinkers on.
I can't stand by and watch that happen.. because regrettably decent folk with no agenda read that kind of bullshit and accept it as the truth and as the facts - it's none of that, it's "his 2 cents"
anyway, enough talking about him. I'm not out to make some character assassination of someone who won't even sign up here. mdmost knows the score as well as any and summed up the situation beautifully.
No, I'd rather engage people who are here already, for the right reasons, preferably who come with no baggage but that'd be unrealistic..
My Bluray (and only!) copy of this arrived yesterday. I listened to it once through in both stereo and 5.1. Sounds very very good to me, although I've got no other versions to compare it too, either with my ears or with graphs!
Hopefully the future of HFPA will bring more 5.1 releases (Quadrophenia :banana. This should help the future of 5.1 and bring more to the masses. What I find annoying about HFPA is the (lack of) value for money in these releases compared to other formats. When compared with DVDA releases by King Crimson, ELP etc, and with Bluray releases by Yes, XTC etc, where you get a lot more product for less money, these HFPA releases seem relatively expensive. Especially when you factor in that the costs of the King Crimson, ELP, Yes, XTC include the costs involved in actually doing the 5.1 mixes, whereas the HFPA releases are using mostly existing mixes.
We shouldn't grumble though if this means that we're getting more 5.1 releases, even though I just did :spot
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