I thought that the SW mix was unbalanced most surround sounds were coming from one channel. There is more activity in both channels for the King mix. In the SW mix, it was the sax of Towsend that we hear a lot as for King you get more activity from other instruments.I was going to maybe skip this one as already have most SH albums and have 3 of his live bluray's and have the SW one which I have enjoyed as was also same concert I was fortunate to see live in Vancouver when SH came here in 2019.
HMMM, so what you are telling me is not to skip this one.
What is it that you prefer over SW mix?
Is it the song selection or do you actually prefer the surround mix.
As far as I know, the only way to determine if channels are inverted is to analyze waveforms. What tweaks did you make to your AVR and sub?The Seconds Out last Bluray has (again?) the LFE inverted? (I found a noticeable bass difference when tweaking the AVR /SUB for that)
The previous Studio Hackett album (surrender of silence) had also LFE inverted.
At least, the Hackett guitar sounds good now, not so loose as with the Steven Wilson mix.
I wonder how these kind of glitches can appear in the final released product. Is it lack of Quality Control? Or if any people do QA, do they not understand, or do not know that music, or do not critical listen Audio?
As far as I know, the only way to determine if channels are inverted is to analyze waveforms. What tweaks did you make to your AVR and sub?
That does appear to be an absolute or approximate inversion of the LFE channel. If it's the same on all songs, Music Media Helper might be the easiest way to correct it. I think it goes without saying that we should not have to make such corrections. Thanks for pointing this out.This are the waveforms on Audacity of the DTS-HD demuxed track converted to FLAC. At 03:49 total time in the song "Clocks". Looking into the rest of whole concert it looks the same.
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The LFE is inverted with respect to Front Channels, and even to surround channels. And there is enough LFE volume level. More controversy about the use or not of LFE content for music.
To correct this, one easy way would be to change the phase 180º in the SUB (if the setting is available), so the LFE is aligned again. But I’m afraid this would invert also the bass coming from the SMALL speakers on Bass Management from the AVR. So the net effect could be unpredictable?
But It happens now that I have my SUB broken (periodic bumps each second when it is powered on. Some capacitor or whatever must be gone out in the power or in the SUB amp). So I have now the AVR configured without SUB and with all speakers set to LARGE, except the Atmos ceiling Tops. This way I have just discovered that the LFE content is redirected not only to the two fronts but also to the two Side Surrounds. ... And it looks that I have not any more the peak and valley bass Rumble when I move away from my MLP. It would work as having 4 SUBs (!) Easier to calibrate?
In this situation, I adjust the Denon setting of Audio/Bass Sync delay to about 10ms, and the Bass increases a little and gives a more pleasant listening to me.
As a reference 6 ms correspond to half wave at 80Hz and 12 ms to half wave at 40Hz.
EDIT: Of course the best correction would be to edit the LFE channel, invert it, and rebuild the container file of the Blu-ray. Does Steve Hackett deserves this from my time?
Random thoughts about this Blu-ray.....
Fully agree. There are a few artists I like who have such a huge back-catalog of music, there ends up being whole eras that are completely ignored now.I know that people who pay to say him in concert want hear the Genesis material, but I wish he can do a show from his entire catalogue in the future. It would be a change after listening to the same Genesis songs over the years. He could still play some Genesis in the encore.
the tour he is doing now is a mix of genesis and his solo work.I know that people who pay to say him in concert want hear the Genesis material, but I wish he can do a show from his entire catalogue in the future. It would be a change after listening to the same Genesis songs over the years. He could still play some Genesis in the encore.