So I hear a lot on various threads here that Apple music is not lossless. Practically everything I play says lossless on it including Dolbt Atmos. Whats up?
You are confused between lossless stereo and lossy AtmosSo I hear a lot on various threads here that Apple music is not lossless. Practically everything I play says lossless on it including Dolbt Atmos. Whats up?
Okay but on Apple Music they both say Lossless.You are confused between lossless stereo and lossy Atmos
Apple Atmos is lossy but contained in a Dolby MAT format output, which shows up as lossless. I think it was said that they do it so they can incorporate system sounds.Okay but on Apple Music they both say Lossless.
Thanks for the info. It still generally sounds pretty damn good to my 70 year old ears.Apple Atmos is lossy but contained in a Dolby MAT format output, which shows up as lossless. I think it was said that they do it so they can incorporate system sounds.
It sounds good if done well, but comparison with lossless Atmos (e.g. Bluray) can show a significant difference in some cases.Thanks for the info. It still generally sounds pretty damn good to my 70 year old ears.
This is an Apple tips and tricks thread. What's your trick for getting lossless Atmos to play on an Apple TV?It sounds good if done well, but comparison with lossless Atmos (e.g. Bluray) can show a significant difference in some cases.
Best not to compare them then.This is an Apple tips and tricks thread. What's your trick for getting lossless Atmos to play on an Apple TV?
The problem with Blu-ray Atmos music is the limited selection. Lossy Atmos sounds great on my setup, and I listen to both varieties. Compared to the stereo releases these days that are dynamically crushed, lossy Atmos sound like a revelation.Best not to compare them then.
I just recently started with an Apple TV and just as recently with an Anthem pre/pro and have really been enjoying the 7.1 and 5 1. Okay, I currently downmix to my 4.1 set up...but still, so much good stuff out there with the Atmos and more limited, Dolby Audio 5.1 from Apple. It's very tempting to think about adding the surrounds....get to 6.1, then what.....height speakers...OMG. But the 4.1 sounds great....so curious what the added speakers bring to the presentation. I've never really enjoyed the center channel, but will probably give it another try also. Why not? Anyway, appreciate the clear description of the Atmos stream / file.Nothing is being converted - well, at least by the extractor. Atmos is output from an ATV4K as 7.1 24/48 PCM. 5.1 and quad mixes are output as 5.1 24/48 PCM. Simply put, the atmos metadata are embedded in the 6&7 channels of the 7.1 - which are then decoded by your AVR if it's Atmos capable (and the internal AVR settings are set to decode as Atmos) OR ignored if you don't have an Atmos capable AVR (or have the internal setting set not to decode Atmos on an Atmos AVR). Either way, your receiver will simply see it as 7.1 24/48 PCM.
Are you referring to what is displayed on the album selected? For instance on The Police Greatest Hits displays "Dolby ATMOS, Lossless, and Apple Digital Master. I may be wrong, but the "Lossless" and the "Apple DIgital Master" refer to the stereo playback.Okay but on Apple Music they both say Lossless.
You are correct.Are you referring to what is displayed on the album selected? For instance on The Police Greatest Hits displays "Dolby ATMOS, Lossless, and Apple Digital Master. I may be wrong, but the "Lossless" and the "Apple DIgital Master" refer to the stereo playback.View attachment 88246
Thanks. This makes sense now.Are you referring to what is displayed on the album selected? For instance on The Police Greatest Hits displays "Dolby ATMOS, Lossless, and Apple Digital Master. I may be wrong, but the "Lossless" and the "Apple DIgital Master" refer to the stereo playback.
There is no trick as of yet (and god only knows how long, if ever). The atmos via Apple Music is downsampled’ to lossy DD+ then being “upconverted” to 7.1 24/48 PCM for transmission from the ATV4K via HDMI to your AVR.This is an Apple tips and tricks thread. What's your trick for getting lossless Atmos to play on an Apple TV?
it doesn’t sound bad, but the improvement when compared to lossless sources is quite apparent.Thanks for the info. It still generally sounds pretty damn good to my 70 year old ears.
I've compared some that I have on BD with the Apple Music counterpart, and I hear the difference. But what I love with Apple Music is all the fantastic Atmos mixes that are not and will not be on disc.it doesn’t sound bad, but the improvement when compared to lossless sources is quite apparent.
Abosolutely. And, yes, the vast majority will never be on a physical disc.I've compared some that I have on BD with the Apple Music counterpart, and I hear the difference. But what I love with Apple Music is all the fantastic Atmos mixes that are not and will not be on disc.
Thanks. This makes sense now.
Keep asking.Abosolutely. And, yes, the vast majority will never be on a physical disc.
What’s a shame is we can’t get lossless streaming of atmos mixes. Maybe one day…
More power to you, but Apple will do it when they’re good and ready to it.Keep asking.
https://www.apple.com/feedback/apple-music.html
Hope is not a strategy.
But everyone being a very polite and persistent pain in the ass and submitting feedback seems to be working for a lot of the issues we have come across.
It has nothing to do with me or my power (huge thanks for more power, lol), but it does have everything to do with everyone wanting higher bitrate/lossless Atmos needing to ask for it.More power to you, but Apple will do it when they’re good and ready to it.
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