ELP Emerson Lake & Palmer Cataloge in 5.1 Surround

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Here is KE9, 3rd impression, from the decoded KBFH version I have (sourced from 'SQ broadcast' and decoded with 'SQ*Final'). Looks to me like the front L R channels have a little bit of compression, compared to the rears. The famous sequencer bit at the end definitely cycles around the 4 channels (though there's always bleed/echo, no channel ever goes 'quiet')


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I've never heard that the quad masters for WBMF , or the multitracks, have ever been found (or lost, for that matter).

While not 100% confirmation of anything, in the liner notes for the BSS super-deluxe set there's quotes from Jakko about the mixing of BSS and him not receiving KE9 1st Impression tapes and the first set they sent him after turned out to be a quad live version.
 
That's hilarious! But what WBMF needs is a full-on remix from the original 24(?)-track multis.[/QUOTE

I think I need to track down this decode you are talking about and take a listen. Sounds like I might have spoke too soon about the version I found being something new and not heard before. Is this the one that Richard put on his blog with the SQ Final script? I found a link to it and will try to check it out when I get home from work. Like I said in a previous post, not ashamed to admit I could be totally wrong, haha.
 
I had occasion to be in Los Angeles a couple weeks ago (to see The Aristocrats concert) and drove right past the (now former) RCA building on Sunset Blvd. where the JVC Cutting Center was on the 5th floor during my visit there almost exactly 40 years ago. If you look in my QQ photos, you will see a business card for Darryl Johnson - JVC Cutting Center. If he is still around, he could directly shed a LOT of light on the engineering flaws within the ELP - WBMF quad master tapes submitted for CD-4 mastering.

EDIT: Wow, here is a quadraphonic CD-4 story within this article that mentions Darryl, Brad Miller and the birth of half-speed mastering)
 
I'm hearing that "Trilogy" when released in April may now signal the end of Sony/Razor & Tie's run of ELP deluxe editions.

If this is true, then personally, I could not care less, as all that would be left are live recordings and scrappy studio records.

Plenty of other great things to look forward to as Steven Wilson is still cranking out more remixes of his own and AF are cranking out more surround SACDs.
 
I was hoping they'd do Pictures At An Exhibition but would rather have a SACD anyway.
 
It'd be nice to get 2 or 3 more (Pictures, WBMF, Works 1) but I can totally get why they'd quit now having done the "classic" core studio albums.

If they do indeed have some of the quad WBMF tapes on hand as it seems they do and can find the rest maybe they ought to do what they just did with the 2 Wakeman releases with that one?
 
Ok, been a busy work week, but finally had a second to take a closer look at the Anaheim '74 tape I found. Comparing the waveforms to the two sets that ssully posted, an initial test decode looks more like the Q8 than the SQ Final version. Won't waste time speculating about it , but I know someone who can give this a more educated listen (as well as a great decode if it merits that). Am still wondering if there are decodes out there that I have missed. I have the DTS one of the Q8 from years ago, a version that TarkusNJ did of the Q8, and the one that OD did on the dreaming spires blog (DS212f). If people know of any others, feel free to post names or links.
Also, spent some time trying to find information on JVC mastering engineer Darryl Johnson with no luck. If anyone has any ideas on where he might be (if he is still with us), I am open to suggestions.
 
I can't believe I missed this other thread with Darrell completely, taking corrective measures!!


From QQ Happy New Year
 
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Ok, have forwarded files of the King Biscuit broadcast I came across, so a new decode should be surfacing in a month or so (I am guessing.) The files definitely resemble the Q8 transfer more than the SQ version, so should be worth a listen when the time comes. In the meantime, just got my Japanese DVDA of the new BSS surround mix. By and large, seems pretty good, although haven't been able to compare it with the Steven Wilson mixes of the earlier stuff.
Concerning the mix of Karn Evil 9 (3rd), there is something very wrong there. There is no way that was done intentionally, especially when you compare it with all the other surround mixes, which are all pretty solid. I haven't sorted through all the posts that have referenced that mix, so at the risk of floating an idea that has all ready been covered, my guess is that this is a screwed up "recall" mix that was sent off the mastering lab at the last second without anyone checking it first. Then they got the test discs, and by then it was probably too late (or too expensive) to fix. For the couple of you that might not be aware of a recall mix, what happens a lot with mixing these days, is that the artists tend to not always be there. The engineer works on mixes, then sends them via FTP or dropbox or whatever to the band, who listens at home, then emails to either give a thumbs up or ask for tweaks. The bass sounds like it had to have been accidentally bumped up in the mix in the process of tweaking something else. There is no way that anyone would have allowed it if they actually heard it. On top of the bass being way too loud, it is also remarkably out of tune at times, which is another reason why I expect no one listened to this mix. When it is balanced properly, almost impossible to notice, but when it's that loud, plain as day.
The one cool thing about this screw up is that it allowed me to take a good listen to the distorted bass, which I always thought was awesome. The distorted bass run through a Leslie sounds fantastic, and I need to find a way to get this on a recording somehow. I think the only time I've heard that sound since was on the Beasties "Gratitude".
I have a hunch that someone is going to fess up to the mistake before long. I dare them to say they did this on purpose. Just not possible.
 
It's been quiet on the Trilogy release for a while...

Will there be another delay, or will it actually get issued in April. :D
 
Jeez...I'm feeling like another delay.....nearly given up on this...but will hold serve until further notice. lmao

It still lists April 2015 as the release date, so at this point, I have no reason to believe otherwise that it will be later than that.

Plus I'd rather that they keep delaying this and get it right, rather than have colossal screwups like on "Brain Salad Surgery".

If after all these delays things are screwed up when it finally gets released, THEN you have my permission to chew out ELP and Sony by any and all means. ;)
 
I'm not getting any hopes up for April. You'd think that if it was really coming out this time we'd have some details on the content by now. I'm just going to be patient as it is going to come....eventually, and count me as another that prefers they get it right.
 
LOL - I will be the last guy chewing them out....I don't pretend to understand why things like this happen....not being an insider and all.

It still lists April 2015 as the release date, so at this point, I have no reason to believe otherwise that it will be later than that.

Plus I'd rather that they keep delaying this and get it right, rather than have colossal screwups like on "Brain Salad Surgery".

If after all these delays things are screwed up when it finally gets released, THEN you have my permission to chew out ELP and Sony by any and all means. ;)
 
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