LizardKing
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
I can't stare at a blank screen...:xp:
I'm listening right now.
Thank you Ryan for posting your mixes.
More of us should experiment with 5.1 mixing, if they have the equipment.
I like the music and especially the vocals are great.
The mixes are well balanced in the surround field.
The second track has the most punch out of the three tracks.
So, the first and third song lack a little bit of power.
But I have something else and I wonder if the other mates here have the same experience.
There are up- and downturns in volume.
I think this comes from seperation/compression faults.
Did you hear that, Ryan?
I will listen to them again now.
Good work!
Hi guys.
Thanks for listening!
If the ups and downs in volume you're hearing during each song sound like it's the drums, then you're correct.
This particular drummer the group had at the time was a very inconsistent hitter, especially when it came to the snare.
Good thing was that there was good separation between the kick and the rest of the kit so I could use a lot of compression/ and limiting to make the kick punch the way I wanted it to.
The same cannot be said for the snare. Not only are the hits inconsistent, but they are drowned out a lot of the time by his damn crash cymbal, smacking away at it. Compression & Limiting didn't help much in this instance because most of the crash cymbal you're hearing is from the snare mic...
On another note besides that, there is no compression/limiting over the entire mix, so the dynamics are wide open which could also contribute to ups and downs in level.
But if there are other things you're noticing besides that, let me know!
Thanks again!
thanks Ryan for the detailed explanation, that explains what I am hearing.Hi guys.
Thanks for listening!
If the ups and downs in volume you're hearing during each song sound like it's the drums, then you're correct.
This particular drummer the group had at the time was a very inconsistent hitter, especially when it came to the snare.
Good thing was that there was good separation between the kick and the rest of the kit so I could use a lot of compression/ and limiting to make the kick punch the way I wanted it to.
The same cannot be said for the snare. Not only are the hits inconsistent, but they are drowned out a lot of the time by his damn crash cymbal, smacking away at it. Compression & Limiting didn't help much in this instance because most of the crash cymbal you're hearing is from the snare mic...
On another note besides that, there is no compression/limiting over the entire mix, so the dynamics are wide open which could also contribute to ups and downs in level.
But if there are other things you're noticing besides that, let me know!
Thanks again!
Hi Ryan. After my first listen while playing Lego with my son, I'd like to start the usual discussion about isolated vocals in the center speaker. I'm the greatest supporter of vocals in the center, but I think they have a drawback: When the singer's voice is a bit weak like in this case, it exposes it a bit too much, stressing out its weakness. For this particular singer, did you try spreading out his voice towards the fronts?
I need to listen to the songs more times to have a more fair opinion though
I just listened too Ryan - I was personally pleased with the overall mix. I admit, I have a powerhouse sub...and sometime during the 2nd tune, the sub sort of bottomed out (popped) if you know what I mean....not sure what the heck that was all about. Otherwise, I like how the vocals sound..very strong and featured. I sort of wish I could have heard guitar licks a bit more pronounced. But, overall, I thought it was good. Music is good as well.
Thanks for listening, GOS!
I have to ask real quick, do you have full-range speakers for the five main channels, or a satellites system that uses bass management to crossover lower frequencies to the sub?
If it's the latter, it's possible the summing of lower frequencies to the sub combining with what's actually in the LFE channel is overpowering your sub.
I've done a lot of listening on my own satellites system to arrive at the balances and levels the mixes are at right now, but each system and sub is different, so ymmv.
Thanks again for the feedback!
I have complete full range speakers...but I still utilize bass management since my sub is more capable of earth shaking volumes than my main speakers. It is possible that I need to rerun Audessey as I've messed with sub settings as of late to accommodate some bass lacking discs I have. It's possible...but again...this sub can pretty much handle anything you throw at it.
Fair enough. To me that's the hardest thing about surround mixing is knowing how much to put in the dedicated LFE channel. I would be fine with not using it myself, but if it's there, better to add a little something there just in case people think it's a defective mix cause the LFE channel is empty.
I run a sub with my system because I want to add a foundation to the surround field. Just something down there to add a bottom to the sound coming from the other 5 speakers. It isn't loud but it's there.
you did everything right with vox. that's just because lack of instrumental elements it's became most prominent piece in mix, thus draws much attention to itself.I don't believe in spreading something like the vocal out equally across all three front channels.
Nice rtbluray, keep in mind I'm only a consumer and have no music talent, so here are some thoughts had while listening to your generous 5.1 flac downloads:
Not muddy to me could be a voice heavy center speaker thing. Voice too prominent center noticed in Free especially, in general his voice reduced center and also in the surrounds absent or ambient in the fronts, would have worked better for me. More distinct and emphatic bass guitar, thinking Colin Edwin Arriving Somewhere, could have helped with a fuller sound. Drum level is good for me, not buried! Xylophone? on Follow would have been cool moving clockwise rather than stationary left surround otherwise a nice effect. Like the lingering effect in surrounds at end of Free No subwoofer issues for me. Also like the supporting vocals surround on Follow.
Sorry, I was writing on the fly while listening. I felt the voice was just too prominent in the center and given the nature of his voice, I was thinking it could have worked better at a reduced level in the center speaker while added to the surrounds with little or no voice in the front left and right. It's funny about the xylophone, only noticed it in the left surround, I might have a setup issue. I'll give it another listen.
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