THRAKBOX - New King Crimson boxset?

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This sounds awesome. And I'm generally "meh" on Belew-era Crimson. I like that they are including as much video as they can this time around though. I'm sure that was the case the previous times, but as it was there wasn't much.
 
I'm quite ok with this.

If everything was like before, he'd mumble something about how great it is, show box contents, shrug his shoulders and say its fantastic, give it 5 Thraks out of 5, and finish it with the phrase: "prog on!"

I'm more interested in what people say here...

Exactly. Plus he can be very annoying at times with his orgasms of excitement as he gets the package open and digs through its contents...
 
I'm quite ok with this.

If everything was like before, he'd mumble something about how great it is, show box contents, shrug his shoulders and say its fantastic, give it 5 Thraks out of 5, and finish it with the phrase: "prog on!"

I'm more interested in what people say here...

I agree..but he's pretty entertaining...and honestly I don't think I would have given LTIA another go if I had not stumbled on his 'review'...it had seemed so inaccessible to me when I was younger
 
Today's e-mail from Inner Knot makes mention of "a Thrak box coming later this year" but no further details than that. For the last two box sets (The Road to Red and Starless) full track listings were revealed in late August with the boxes being released in early November. If the pattern holds, we should know the full track listing in about a month's time. Hopefully I will have finished listening to the Starless box by then!
 
More good news from David Singleton's diary:

Back in the office after two weeks on holiday in the Netherlands - great fun sailing the various inland seas (with the exception of one unfortunate argument with a channel buoy/marker). And, bliss, not a single call on my mobile phone over the THRAK boxed set, which is now close to production. Hopefully tasters and teasers from there will be drifting out in the coming months.

http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=83910273

Now the not so great news:
And on my first morning in the office, I had a surprisingly clear vision of a possible path for the Construkction of Light re-issue, which will follow THRAK (if we overlook the troublesome pair of BEAT and Three of a Perfect Pair, which continue to defy all attempts to get them out the door).

So maybe Neil can shed some light on this issue on this forum. Otherwise, I'll post my question in the DGM Guestbook and maybe David can go into more detail as part of his next diary entry.
My question obviously is, why has there been so much trouble getting these two reissues released?

I bet it has to do with obtaining and licensing video footage from the era, which the band probably do not own.
Whatever it is, I hope this gets resolved soon. To think that albums like "Trilogy" and "Amused to Death" have actually made it out to the public before these two is astonishing to say the least...
 
Something else interesting.

A member on the DGM Live Guestbook asked a question about the 'missing' Collector's Club 42 CD, which was supposed to be a collection of Studio Sessions material from 1983 (the recording sessions for "Three of a Perfect Pair"), and here was Sid's response:

This was put on hold as at the time a planned expanded Three Of A Perfect Pair was scheduled. It's since been decided that this missing Club is not in fact missing but simply contributing silence to the Club series. The 40th anniversary edition of 3OAPP is now looking like a 2016 release - containing the material on the proposed KCCC release and much more besides.
 
I bet it has to do with obtaining and licensing video footage from the era, which the band probably do not own.

My biggest hope for the Beat reissue is that includes video of the final performance of the 1982 tour in Munich. This was broadcast on German television. The audio portion of the show is available as a King Crimson Collector's Club release and the performance is a real scorcher. I would love to have the video on Blu-ray.
 
My biggest hope for the Beat reissue is that includes video of the final performance of the 1982 tour in Munich. This was broadcast on German television. The audio portion of the show is available as a King Crimson Collector's Club release and the performance is a real scorcher. I would love to have the video on Blu-ray.

Besides that, hopefully they have someway to include the Frejus film also from 1982.
Probably my favorite film I've seen of the 80s King Crimson.
:)
 
Besides that, hopefully they have someway to include the Frejus film also from 1982.
Probably my favorite film I've seen of the 80s King Crimson.
:)

I doubt they will, as the Frejus concert is already out there on the Neal and Jack and Me dvd.
 
Interesting reading on David Singleton's diary: http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=83910273
Thrak box went to production and should be followed by Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair. And there are plans, or so it seems, to reissue The Construktion of Light as well. Nothing new really, but I'm glad to have one more confirmation from the source himself
 
So will Beat and Three (and maybe ConstruKction) be box sets as well?

I doubt it. I think those will just be standard 40th anniversary CD/DVD-A sets, unless they did a combined box set of "Discipline", "Beat", and "Three of a Perfect Pair".
Here's what David also had to say about his idea for a "Construkction of Light" reissue:

Following the mantra that a "suggestion is as good as a volunteer", I am still somewhat hesitant over TCOL. Not a task I currently need or want. Maybe RF will not share my vision - but otherwise, having seen it, the next step is, of course, to build it.

Fripp doesn't really like TCOL at all as he never felt the band properly captured that material in the studio, so it's difficult to say whether or not he really has any interest at all in reissuing that album along with "The Power to Believe", especially since I don't think any remixing work has been done on those yet.
 
It would be a shame if The Power to Believe didn't get the 5.1 treatment. I think that's a really underrated album. Some amazing material on that one.

As for Beat, for some reason I was under the impression that a box was planned for that one but I can't recall where (or even if) I heard that. Of the three 80's albums that would be the most likely candidate for a box as they seem to have recorded lots of shows on that tour which doesn't appear to have been the case on the 1981 or 1984 tours.
 
TO me , TCOL and TPTB are really amazing albums..they were "game changing" ones...after the Double Trio, they got their act together and explored and conquered NEW territory....just Trey's playing takes my breath away!!!
 
THRAK BOX:




Q: What’s a THRAK BOX?



A: As the name suggests, it’s a boxed set of material by King Crimson drawn from the double trio line-up of the mid-1990s. 



Q: Ooh, I liked that line-up. What’s in it then?



A: 12CDs, 1DVD-a, 1DVD & 2Blu-Ray discs, featuring studio & live recordings, many previously unreleased, from the earliest band rehearsals to their final gathering in Nashville in 1997. 

In addition, much of the material is presented in new 5.1 Surround & Hi-Resolution stereo mixes.



Q: Tell me more.. what’s on the CDs?



A: CD1: JurassiKc THRAK - is an assemblage of material from the recording sessions for the album compiled by David Singleton - similar to ’Keep That One Nick’ on the Larks’ Tongues Boxed set - placing the listener in the studio with the band as the material was composed and recorded. You can, for example, hear the band experimenting with different drums parts for "Inner Garden" & a wonderful early vocal before that song was divided into two. Similar excitements await listeners with all the other songs. There are also seven pieces that didn’t make it onto the final album.



CD2: Max VROOOM - features the long-unavailable mini-album VROOOM, augmented with tracks & edits from the KC Club release: The VROOOM Sessions - all material re-compiled & remastered at DGM.



CD3: THRAK - is the 2002 remaster of the original album.



CD4: ATTAKcATHRAK (The Vicar’s THRAK) – is a sort of sequel to THRaKaTTaK insofar as it’s assembled from live improvs - but simultaneously very different – one of David Singleton’s best pieces of production. The editing process for the new improv album provides more form and function to the material without compromising the spirit of the original improvs.

Unlike THRaKaTTaK, which was based on stereo board recordings, this album is newly mixed in both stereo and surround sound from multi-track tapes.



CD5: THRAK - is the 2015 Jakko Jakszyk/Robert Fripp remix of the original album, described by Robert Fripp as “transformative – a re-imagining of stereo in the early 21st century.”



CD6: Byte Size THRAK - is a compilation of singles edits, live tracks from promos, a 12" mix edit – some of which are making their debut appearance on commercially available disc & extracts from writing sessions from the final Nashville rehearsals in 1997.



CDs7/8: Kcensington THRAK -is a newly mixed release of the band’s London concerts in 1995. Mixed from multi-track tapes by Jakko Jakszyk, and mastered by David Singleton & Robert Fripp ("to make it rock even harder" apparently). Other than video releases, it is also the first live show from this band available in surround sound (see Blu-Ray below). 



CDs 9/10: New YorKc THRAK - features a complete setlist from the 1995 run of shows in the city, some material previously released on VROOOM VROOOM (now deleted) & the KC Club release On Broadway. Drawn from multi-track tapes, mixed by Adrian Belew & Ken Latchney - all newly remastered at DGM.



CDs 11/12: AzteKc THRAK - features a complete setlist from the Mexico City concerts in 1996 - released, in part, on VROOOM VROOOM - mixed from the original multi-tracks by Robert Fripp, R Chris Murphy & David Singleton & recently remastered at DGM.



Q: Sounds great, what’s on the Hi-Res discs?

A: 

If the stereo material sounds wonderful (& it does) the Hi-Res stereo & especially the 5.1 Surround Sound mixes are a revelation. This is a line-up that’s best heard in multi-channel Surround Sound.



Blu-Ray I is, we believe, the most comprehensive Hi-Res audio only disc yet assembled & features three complete albums 5.1 Surround Sound mixes: THRAK, ATTAKcATHRAK & Kcensington THRAK.

These three albums also appear in Hi-Res stereo - THRAK in both its original & new stereo mixes - plus a further three complete albums are included in Hi-Res stereo, JurassiKc THRAK, THRAKaTTAK & the official live bootleg of one of the earliest shows by the double trio in Argentina: B’Boom.

A recipient of a test disc of BD1 summed it up: “The blu-ray audio is astonishing and presents all the material in a glorious new light. I can’t say enough about the wonder of this blu-ray.”



Here’s a full list of contents:
THRAK 2015 mix
DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 24/96

LPCM Stereo 24/96

LPCM 5.1 Surround 24/96
ATTAKcATHRAK
DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 24/48

LPCM Stereo 24/48

LPCM 5.1 Surround 24/48
THRAK Original Mix 2002 remaster
LPCM Stereo 24/96
THRaKaTTaK
LPCM Stereo 24/48
Kcensington THRAK
DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 24/48

LPCM Stereo 24/48

LPCM 5.1 Surround 24/48
B’Boom
LPCM Stereo 24/48
JurassiKc THRAK
LPCM Stereo 24/48


Blu-Ray II is no less complete & features an audio/visual feast:



1) A complete concert filmed live at The Warfield Theatre, San Francisco from 1995 - previously unreleased - with all footage newly transferred from the original tapes, mastered for high definition and 5.1 Surround Sound newly mixed by David Singleton from the multi-track tapes of the show



2) The live footage from the 1995 Live in Japan performance - all footage newly transferred from the original tapes, mastered for High Definition with the original surround sound remastered by David Singleton & Neil Wilkes. 



3) Tony’s Road Movies - footage of the band on the road as filmed by Tony Levin - all footage newly mastered for High Definition & featuring a soundtrack of previously unreleased material drawn from the band’s earliest rehearsals in 1994 - the first time that Robert Fripp, Trey Gunn, Tony Levin, Pat Mastelotto and Bill Bruford met together (at Bill’s own studio). Originally captured in stereo on DAT, the audio has been up-mixed to Surround Sound so that all of the video features can be enjoyed in multi-channel audio.



4) The EPK of the making of the THRAK album at Peter Gabriel’s RealWorld Studios with newly mixed Surround Sound audio.

Additionally, this disc is being built to include a further unique feature whereby, with a press of a button, the disc will function as a pure audio disc for all audio material featured in the audio/video section.

Both blu-ray discs set new standards for what can be done with this format.

The DVD-a disc features THRAK in 5.1 Surround Sound & Hi-Res stereo of both the new & original mixes.

& the DVD features The Warfield Theatre concert & Tony’s Road Movies.



Q: Wow, that’s comprehensive but why include dvds & Blu-Ray - sharing material?



A number of reasons:

1) It wouldn’t make sense to try to make two editions - 1 with DVD/DVD-a & one with Blu-Ray.



2) Some fans want both - especially in America where a number of in car systems are DVD-a compatible.



3) Some fans want both if they currently have DVD & intend to buy a Blu-Ray player.



4) By including all options within the one set we can make it usable by the widest possible audience. None of the Blu-Ray or dvd/dvd-a discs are region locked & the dvd-a is a hybrid disc fully compatible with all dvd players.



Q: OK, but what if I can’t afford the box but still want to hear the new stereo & 5.1 mixes?



A CD/DVD-a release in the same format as the other KC40th anniversary series will be issued on the same day.



Q: When is that?

A: 

Mid-October - the 16th is the date we’re aiming for.



Q: Hmm, on second thoughts, I might be able to persuade my partner to get the big box for me as a Christmas present.



A: Good for you. Tell them to buy a large sheet of wrapping paper. The box will be in the same format & size as the previous boxed sets devoted to the 1972/4 line-ups – a 12" box with full-sized booklet, containing new liner notes, full details of the musical content, photos (some previously unseen) & memorabilia - lots to read & look at while listening & an ideal shelf mate for any of the LTIA/Road To Red/Starless sets when stored.



Q: Will I be able to hear any of the new material before I commit to buying the set (or convincing someone else to buy it for me)?



A: Yes, keep checking the DGMLive website where we’ll be posting audio (& maybe video) extracts in the weeks leading up to release.



Q: When can I order it?



A: Both the CD/DVD-a & the boxed set should be available to pre-order from Inner Knot or Burning Shed (mail order) & at local retailers everywhere by Mid-August (possibly earlier). DGMLive.com will announce a pre-sell date as soon as it’s confirmed.



Q: Thanks.



A:You’re welcome.

http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=5220
 
Hopefully at 16 discs it'll be a little cheaper than the previous 3 sets. Probably by not much though.
 
Sounds.....like ....THRACKACKACKACKAACKKKTTRRTTTHHHPPPTTTTTT (Bill The Cat, probably)

Go Fripp, GO!!!!
 
I like the double trio era so this one's a pretty easy sell for me, and having an autumn birthday always helps a little too.
 
Honestly considered sitting this one out, but the way they're selling the 5.1 mixes have me sold. I especially like that there's some substantial concert and documentary footage this time around.
 
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