iirc., 'Polygram Special Markets' was another associated division with the DTS HDS discs, pretty sure things like EC's "There's One In Every Crowd" were in connection with 'Polygram Special Markets'?
What are the Rarest** MultiChannel SACDs?
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It might well be special markets for polygram.(rings a bell in my brain)..but without going to look at the back of my discs I was pretty sure that special products was columbia
The Cardigans does pop up every now and again for "not totally crazy money" so I wouldn't give up hope of finding it. there are other SACDs that are more elusive and pricey when they do turn up (incl., Lovebox, Scorpions, Sarah Brightman x 3). plus some of the Single Layer Sony MultiCh discs are equally as tough to get now, like O'Jays' Ship Ahoy & Isley Bros. 3 + 3.
then there's those SACDs that are so rare (obscure!?) its doubtful they even exist! like Will Tura's "In Mooiste Droom", or the "La Oreja de Van Gogh" discs (2 of 'em announced afaik) which nobody I know has ever seen in the flesh (probably vapourware).
All the major labels have had special products/markets divisions. They have leased products to boutique and budget labels. If you check most DTS CD's from Miller Nevada, DTS entertainment, etc., you'll find a special products division leased them. Ditto for Analogue Productions and MoFi releases. In many cases, the special products/markets division also presses these discs.
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Totally correct about the names being close - and I'm bad with names to start with.
When I wrote "Special Products Division" it was as a generic name for each record companies product licensing division, not as the actual names each company used - I should have been clear about that - my bad and I'm sorry for any confusion.
i apologize for the errors in what I wrote and thank you all for the corrections - thats one of the GREAT things about QQ and everyone here. There is no nastiness that goes along with the corrections, unlike many other forums. With time, things get blurred in my mind - i have the same problem with LaserDisc info on the LDDB forums and because I've had a LaserDisc player since the 1978 launch, lots of stuff gets jumbled in my mind - I can always remember it all, it just might take some reminders or corrections then things will 'click' and I'll remember it all correctly.
One of my diabetes meds does affect my memory a bit. not majorly, but just a kind of fuzziness with some things. The medication is called Lyrica and its used for lots of other things too, so some of you might have experience with it and know how it can fuzzy up your brain.
When I wrote "Special Products Division" it was as a generic name for each record companies product licensing division, not as the actual names each company used - I should have been clear about that - my bad and I'm sorry for any confusion.
i apologize for the errors in what I wrote and thank you all for the corrections - thats one of the GREAT things about QQ and everyone here. There is no nastiness that goes along with the corrections, unlike many other forums. With time, things get blurred in my mind - i have the same problem with LaserDisc info on the LDDB forums and because I've had a LaserDisc player since the 1978 launch, lots of stuff gets jumbled in my mind - I can always remember it all, it just might take some reminders or corrections then things will 'click' and I'll remember it all correctly.
One of my diabetes meds does affect my memory a bit. not majorly, but just a kind of fuzziness with some things. The medication is called Lyrica and its used for lots of other things too, so some of you might have experience with it and know how it can fuzzy up your brain.
One hope in the short term is that some of these rare SACDs end up as DSD Downloads from the new wave of music download sites like Acoustic Sounds. Sony, Universal Music and Warner-Elektra-Atlantic have all licensed their music to Acoustic Sounds for posting and sales as DSD Downloads. Now we'll have to wait and see when those major label downloads start appearing to see if it provides relief from the eBay Shocker List, etc.... !
do you know if Acoustic Sounds have intimated anything re:Surround DSD Downloads from Sony, UMG, Warners?
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Thanks for the corrections - were the original DTS release of Band On The Run given a re-release with Cf and LFE BEFORE the corrected version with the entire opening added back was released?
one thing I've found, and I don't know how many it affects because I haven't gone through all my DTS CD's and looked, is unlike the DTS bitrate 'standard' of 1.2mbps for 44.1kHz recordings meant to be encoded onto CD, some of my first DTS HDS releases, again, like Band On The Run, are actually encoded at 1.4mbps. My DTS Jurassic Park LaserDisc is also 1.4mbps. My Runco THX Certified LJR-II Super LaserDisc Player has a stupid on-screen audio-level feature and when playing Band On The Run, the player decoded white noise signal makes the level meter sit right at 0db, which is 1.4mbps while later releases, like Abraxas, sits at -12db which is 1.2mbps, which DTS did so people who accidentally played a DTS CD or LaserDisc without a decoder wouldn't be blasted by full-scale white noise. Edgar Winter also is a 1.4mbps and a demo version of the Glen Miller Telarc disc is 1.4mbps, but the retail version I bought is 1.2mbps. The two Telarc - or is it DMP? - discs look exactly alike except my 1.4mbps copy is stamped 'for demonstration only' on the actual CD and on the back of the booklet - and they are ink-stamps, not printing because they are broken and you can tell done quickly with inventor pressure, like a library books stamps would be.
Most of my discs I got directly from DTS or Brad because I was working for DTS at the time as their Internet rep, so I wonder how many CD's are 1.4mbps and, especially, how many LaserDisc's are 1.4mbps - my copies of Casper, Apollo 13 and Waterworld are all 1.4mbps but 12 Monkey's, Casino and the rest are 1.2mbps.
DTS has locked down the 44.1kHz CD encoding mode with 1.2mbps being the highest bitrate you can encode. Yet basically all of their marketing material in the 90's stated that CD's and LaserDisc's were encoded at 1.4mbps. So weird.
we should start a listing of the actual bitrates of DTS CD and LaserDisc releases - if one doesn't already exist here. Its so easy to do because you just look at the meters on a CD recorder, etc when playing a DTS CD or LaserDisc - if its 0db, its 1.4mbps - if its -12db, its 1.2mbps.
that would explain why my Band On The Run DTS has "MASTERED BY EMI MFG." in the silver hub of the disc!
that's the hardest Time Out SACD (Euro Hybrid) to come by, in my humble opinion/experience. I picked it up in Virgin Megastore (£13) they had about 4-5 copies at the time, in hindsight I should have bought them all..!
that's the hardest Time Out SACD (Euro Hybrid) to come by, in my humble opinion/experience. I picked it up in Virgin Megastore (£13) they had about 4-5 copies at the time, in hindsight I should have bought them all..!
On Sony Music/Columbia, perhaps. But remember that the SACD has been reissued by Analogue Productions and is currently available on the web.
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/83633/Dave_Brubeck_Quartet-Time_Out-Hybrid_Multichannel_SACD
"Analogue Productions presents the definitive Time Out by The Dave Brubeck Quartet on Hybrid Multichannel SACD. SACD booklet includes rare photos from the Columbia Studios recording session, as well as an additional liner written by pianist Brubeck himself. Remastered by Bernie Grundman; authored for SACD by Gus Skinas on the SONOMA system.
For the Multichannel program of this SACD, we used the same hi-res file as was used for the previous Sony SACD release of this title. The Multichannel program was not remixed or remastered. Please understand that our focus and interest is on making the best sounding two-channel layer possible. We have remastered the stereo program from the original analog tapes. Because the disc allows space to include a multichannel program and because one already existed, we decided to include it as a bonus."
I meant the earlier Sony hybrid is in shortest supply/rarest Time Out SACD nowadays
I meant the earlier Sony hybrid is in shortest supply/rarest Time Out SACD nowadays
I'm sure that's true. But I don't know why anyone would want that edition when the original Multichannel mix and an upgraded Stereo mix are on the new Analogue Productions version.
Ditto for the Norah Jones "Come Away With Me" SACD - the new one on Analogue Productions is way better than the original - and actually corrects an phase error on the Blue Note SACD.
that's the hardest Time Out SACD (Euro Hybrid) to come by, in my humble opinion/experience. I picked it up in Virgin Megastore (£13) they had about 4-5 copies at the time, in hindsight I should have bought them all..!
Surprisingly, my copy was purchased in Hong Kong for US$17.00. This had to be at least 7-8 years ago and I have never seen another one again....not even on auction websites.
Another good reason to go with the Hybrid SACD of Time Out now available from Analogue Productions. It has the Multichannel SACD layer from the Columbia SACD plus the Stereo CD and Stereo SACD versions of the album.
A fantastic find! I wonder just how many (or rather few!) of these were made. Like I said before there were several in the Megastore Jazz dept (must have been 5+ years ago) when I bought it, so I never considered it rare but have of course since discovered its far from plentiful, to put it mildly!
Thinking about it, I've found a few hard to get SACDs from sellers in HK (still sealed) including those later hybrid pressings like this Euro "Time Out" (made in Austria afaik) that seldom/never appear anywhere else.
I don't know how these things ended up way out there in the Far East but they look like the real deal to me and they certainly do all the right things, like the different layers playing properly/flawlessly whether redbook or scarlet, etc.!
certainly is! if only they'd put out that 5.1 Thom Cadley mix of SRV's "Couldn't Stand The Weather" that never made it to SACD back in the day!
We'll see if rarities like that see the light of day once the Sony DSD Download files start popping up from Acoustic Sounds.
