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Yay! New Steven Wilson album "4 1/2" due out Jan 22nd!!!
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Favorite quote from part I:
"The problem I have is that I bore myself when I play guitar, because I know what I’m going to play. One of the exciting things about giving a part to another guitar player is that you don’t know what they are going to do. That can be sometimes more inspiring than to hear yourself play. I pretty much delegated the guitar playing, at least on the last two records, to Guthrie. When you have Guthrie in the band there really is no need to play guitar at all, and Dave, you know, is also fantastic. But I have come to realise that there is a place for me to play guitar in the show and on the albums."
I love Steven's guitar playing, and will be glad to hear more of it on this album.
"The problem I have is that I bore myself when I play guitar, because I know what I’m going to play. One of the exciting things about giving a part to another guitar player is that you don’t know what they are going to do. That can be sometimes more inspiring than to hear yourself play. I pretty much delegated the guitar playing, at least on the last two records, to Guthrie. When you have Guthrie in the band there really is no need to play guitar at all, and Dave, you know, is also fantastic. But I have come to realise that there is a place for me to play guitar in the show and on the albums."
I love Steven's guitar playing, and will be glad to hear more of it on this album.
Anyone else still feel it's B.S. that the BD and CD are only offered separately? What's the deal? They just trying out a different economic strategy with this to see how the bottom line is affected?
Personally, I'm not buying the CD. It's fine if it's packaged with what I really want for a mild upcharge, but I just don't have full-album-cost interest in RBCD.
Personally, I'm not buying the CD. It's fine if it's packaged with what I really want for a mild upcharge, but I just don't have full-album-cost interest in RBCD.
I completely agree. I have always thought that it's a terrible idea to separate Blu-Ray audio and DVD-Audio discs from CDs and release them as two separate packages. It hurts surround that way because I feel like less people will be willing to take a chance on high-res surround releases if they are also not backed up by the friendly, familiar, and still most-used optical disc format that is CD. CDs are still best for car playback and for converting to digital files for portable use as well, so when you package DVD-A and Blu-Ray audio discs with CDs for a convenient price, everyone wins.
This is a big reason I think as to why DVD-A never really caught on. By the time Warner/Rhino had the bright idea of packaging CD and DVD-A discs together, the public had already moved on, not to mention that the concept of dualdiscs around that same time hurt DVD-A (and SACD) as well.
Now it's happening all over again with Blu-Ray. The current release strategy for some releases of a single Blu-Ray audio disc with no CD and in some cases no digital download either is a terrible way to get newcomers on board with high-res Blu-Ray audio releases, especially since some of these single Blu-Ray discs cost just as much as these other CD/Blu-Ray disc combos anyway.
Trust me, if I were advising Steven Wilson and Kscope on this release, I would have thrown the CD into the Blu-ray package too. If people are only interested in the CD, they can still have just the CD with a CD-only release, but I have a good feeling that if the CD were included in the Blu-Ray package, it would end up being the biggest seller of all the formats for sure. Now we have to make a choice (or spend more money to get both) when I wish we could just have both together and call it a day. Frustrating indeed…
Steven has released his albums in both CD + surround disc and standalone CD and surround disc configurations - you have to assume that if he's doing it as two seperate releases it's because sales data for previous releases probably shows they'll make more money this way.
The days of bands selling hundreds of thousands or millions of copies of an album are long gone at this point - I recall Steven saying in an interview that Grace For Drowning had sold about 8,000 copies on BluRay at the time the interview was done, and that that was a really good sales figure for a BluRay audio disc. Labels need to be very careful about what formats and configurations they offer because having a few thousand unsold units (especially of BluRays, which I believe cost a few thousand dollars per 1000 units just for the disc pressing) can be the difference between something being a financial success and failure.
We have to accept that as people who buy surround music we're a niche market and will always be in the minority, and that the logistics of the release format meant for mass consumption (ie the CD, or digital download) are always going to trump what we'd like. Look at it from the perspective of someone who only wants the CD - people like that probably outnumber us 25 or 50 to 1 (or more). All they want is to pay $10 for a CD, not to be forced to pay $25 or $30 for a CD + BluRay set. They bristle at that the same way we bristle at having to buy expensive box sets with vinyl in them (or things like the Ten Years After quad DVD + vinyl set) because the BluRay disc has as much use to them as vinyl does to us. Record companies also have to be aware that there's basically a 'piracy threshold' with pricing: if you price your product too high there's a point beyond which people will say 'screw it' and just burn a copy off a friend or download it off the internet, and neither is hard to do even for the most technologically backwards.
If you really need a CD of this new album, simply rip the BluRay, extract the stereo audio track and downsample it to 44.1/16 bit stereo .wavs and then burn it on to a CD-R. In the US and Canada (I believe UK copyright law has literally just changed to make this illegal once again) you're allowed to make backup copies of albums you own for your own personal use. There are plenty of tutorials on the internet that will tell you how to do so, and you're probably saving yourself a few bucks by only buying a standalone BluRay instead of a two disc combo set.
The days of bands selling hundreds of thousands or millions of copies of an album are long gone at this point - I recall Steven saying in an interview that Grace For Drowning had sold about 8,000 copies on BluRay at the time the interview was done, and that that was a really good sales figure for a BluRay audio disc. Labels need to be very careful about what formats and configurations they offer because having a few thousand unsold units (especially of BluRays, which I believe cost a few thousand dollars per 1000 units just for the disc pressing) can be the difference between something being a financial success and failure.
We have to accept that as people who buy surround music we're a niche market and will always be in the minority, and that the logistics of the release format meant for mass consumption (ie the CD, or digital download) are always going to trump what we'd like. Look at it from the perspective of someone who only wants the CD - people like that probably outnumber us 25 or 50 to 1 (or more). All they want is to pay $10 for a CD, not to be forced to pay $25 or $30 for a CD + BluRay set. They bristle at that the same way we bristle at having to buy expensive box sets with vinyl in them (or things like the Ten Years After quad DVD + vinyl set) because the BluRay disc has as much use to them as vinyl does to us. Record companies also have to be aware that there's basically a 'piracy threshold' with pricing: if you price your product too high there's a point beyond which people will say 'screw it' and just burn a copy off a friend or download it off the internet, and neither is hard to do even for the most technologically backwards.
If you really need a CD of this new album, simply rip the BluRay, extract the stereo audio track and downsample it to 44.1/16 bit stereo .wavs and then burn it on to a CD-R. In the US and Canada (I believe UK copyright law has literally just changed to make this illegal once again) you're allowed to make backup copies of albums you own for your own personal use. There are plenty of tutorials on the internet that will tell you how to do so, and you're probably saving yourself a few bucks by only buying a standalone BluRay instead of a two disc combo set.
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I suppose it would be nice to have a RBCD included. It seems like a better deal. But to be honest, I just play the multichannel BD-A, DVD-A (or SACD). If music labels need to tweak the market in order to finance new multichannel releases, I won't put up a fight (well...as long as it's not a super expensive box set ). I understand they're not selling a whole lot of discs these days. Looking at posts on other music forums, it's pretty obvious that the vast majority of people are downloading, buying super cheap RBCD box sets, or simply listening to music via YouTube for free. We certainly are a niche. But don't get me wrong, I am all for spreading the Gospel 4.0 & 5.1. I often post comments about the benefits of Hirez surround recordings on some of these sites. Sadly however, the reaction of some folks is down right hostile. So, I just try to help people become more aware of what's out there.... that there are high profile artists like Steely Dan, Yes, Pink Floyd, Steven Wilson (not to mention classical labels BIS, PentaTone, 2L...) releasing exciting recordings in multichannel. These are strange times for the music industry. It seems natural that companies which are actually producing & releasing new recordings on physical media need to try various ways to market their work.
). I understand they're not selling a whole lot of discs these days. Looking at posts on other music forums, it's pretty obvious that the vast majority of people are downloading, buying super cheap RBCD box sets, or simply listening to music via YouTube for free. We certainly are a niche. But don't get me wrong, I am all for spreading the Gospel 4.0 & 5.1. I often post comments about the benefits of Hirez surround recordings on some of these sites. Sadly however, the reaction of some folks is down right hostile. So, I just try to help people become more aware of what's out there.... that there are high profile artists like Steely Dan, Yes, Pink Floyd, Steven Wilson (not to mention classical labels BIS, PentaTone, 2L...) releasing exciting recordings in multichannel. These are strange times for the music industry. It seems natural that companies which are actually producing & releasing new recordings on physical media need to try various ways to market their work.
Any clue as to whether the BD comes with an mp3 download code or something like that? Ripping BDs is something a great many folks are just not going to be bothered with, tutorials or no.
Free mp3s or FLACs raise the convenience factor of enjoying 2.0, one way or another, considerably.
Free mp3s or FLACs raise the convenience factor of enjoying 2.0, one way or another, considerably.
Hmmm. Seeing as that my car player can do mp3 and making mp3 from FLAC are purdy ez, that works purdy well for me.
It's still B.S. though!
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Just ordered the BD version from Bullmoose AND also a CD at $13.97 because I'm a fan.
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In 7 days I'll be at my local record store... wondering WHY OH WHY don't I live in a big city?!! :howl ... when The Raven came out, I was there early morning when they opened the door, only to find out they didn't have it yet.. so I had to order it online from them.. or drive an hour and a half to another store location..
I should order it online.. but IF they have it on the shelves that morning, the weekend is going to be preeeeeeetty long waiting for the postman@:
I should order it online.. but IF they have it on the shelves that morning, the weekend is going to be preeeeeeetty long waiting for the postman
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I'm gonna regret this...:ugham:
Ditto, except I went just with the Blu-Ray, especially since it has a download code for both FLAC and stereo mp3 files of the entire mini-album.
Godspeed, british post!
Got my notice...
Wooo!!! :banana:
Wooo!!! :banana:
Waiting on Bullmoose notification. As if I was caught up on what is already here......
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