Ranasakawa
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
I preordered this on amazon and it still hasn't shipped. Exactly the same thing happened with the Jethro Tull A box. It seems Australia customers are left behind yet again
The Kraftwerk Atmos mix _definitely_ has the heights discreet -- I remember going up to them to check.Well, Atmos really does take some time to wrap your head around. I'd say both your comments are correct. But to my ears, it's mostly elevating the entire mix. For example, with this title, I'm hearing what sounds like a tamborine (may not be a tamborine, could be some other sound coming from drumset) and I totally swear that it's coming from halfway between my right front and right height. So much so, that I figured it must be isolated to my height. Nope, as I inched closer to the front, it then clearly came from right front. I don't know how this can be, but that's the "illusion" I keep finding. Also, yes, there are what I believe are discreet elements coming from heights.
It's almost as if the heights are used to "augment" the overall mix. Hardly ever do I notice super discreet parts isolated to heights, meaning any of the main parts (lead vocal, lead guitar, bass guitar or keyboards, drums) It's more, very select sounds...and those sounds seem to be what make the soundfield sort of disappear and become much larger than your speakers.
By the way, I'd never heard Free Hand prior to this, but it's just super. These guys are really one of a kind to my ears.
I gave it a seven for weak heights usage, you guys need to up your spatial audio standards, yes the bed channel mix is a 10, but mixing in atmos SW is a newbie on placing objects with good interaural cues on the tops.... 50% of the TIDAL club music are reference tops implementations.
Snarking? Whistleblowing and EDUCATING! I am a student here of all things multichannel but when it comes to atmos I am the rogue evangelist of doing atmos in a very specific way that results in total overhead holography. It follows a very specific topography unique to the room where atmos was invented.
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I am very serious about the positioning and sizing of Atmos tops. Having spent the last 8 years devoted to that subject matter deploying millions of system dollars in this quest. I Already gave the surround channel implementation a 10 rating it is the tops from all SW's mixes to date that I find lack polishing. Using the NL3 top's aesthetic of boring ambiance is a copout and wrong for popular music.
Compare the sizing and spacing of SW's studio tops speakers to the way the latest research shows should be done.
guess what? if he had bigger speakers on top, at 35-degree separation azimuth, and followed these angles in the median plane, would exploit the physics of overhead sound resolvability better and thus he would be hearing a lot more clearly what is going on overhead and by doing so we would too, those overhead signals would be more robust and carry richer interaural cues for better phantom images overhead, as long as he keeps those speakers so far apart and uses 5 inch woofers, he is fighting uphill against physics..
I'm interested. Could you tell us your favourite Atmos titles that make good use of interaural cues with the tops?
There is plenty of tops usage in this club mix, I suggest forum members interested in recreating a holographic tops canvas with 4 robust ceiling speakers try it. It is the least understood, harder to achieve titillating epicurean musical immersive experience.
with 8 inch woofers that go down to 35 I think you are good!
We definitely agree in our dislike of bass management!
Thankfully you acknowledge the difference in putting electronic sounds in the tops vs the painstakingly task of taking old multi-tracks of (actual) instruments, and spreading them around in a cohesive fashion.
It's over my head.Snarking? Whistleblowing and EDUCATING! I am a student here of all things multichannel but when it comes to atmos I am the rogue evangelist of doing atmos in a very specific way that results in total overhead holography. It follows a very specific topography unique to the room where atmos was invented.
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I am very serious about the positioning and sizing of Atmos tops. Having spent the last 8 years devoted to that subject matter deploying millions of system dollars in this quest. I Already gave the surround channel implementation a 10 rating it is the tops from all SW's mixes to date that I find lack polishing. Using the NL3 top's aesthetic of boring ambiance is a copout and wrong for popular music.
Compare the sizing and spacing of SW's studio tops speakers to the way the latest research shows should be done.
guess what? if he had bigger speakers on top, at 35-degree separation azimuth, and followed these angles in the median plane, would exploit the physics of overhead sound resolvability better and thus he would be hearing a lot more clearly what is going on overhead and by doing so we would too, those overhead signals would be more robust and carry richer interaural cues for better phantom images overhead, as long as he keeps those speakers so far apart and uses 5 inch woofers, he is fighting uphill against physics..
with 8 inch woofers that go down to 35 I think you are good! I also suggest you get a couple of these they can be fed speaker level or line level. That way you are not fooled by elevated cues from the bed channel.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/328...08921216-08971-UneMJZVf&device=c&gclsrc=aw.ds
Muy bien construido, felicidades! His vu meter box is nicer than mine. I will post a youtube in a more appropriate thread. The point I am trying to make is that if we are going to start rating Atmos mixes it is beneficial to use vu meters for the tops at least.Thank you for the link.
Actually, I already built my own "13 Channel VUMeter". I use it to compare the amount of content level going to the surrounds and to the heights/tops/wides. And also for fun. Very useful.
Here you can see how it looks: The *OFFICIAL* Denon AVR-X8500H 13.2ch Flagship AVR Thread
Edited: BTW, at the end of that post of my link, after all pictures, you can see/hear a video of the working gadget with Booka Shade with good enough amount on the Heights, actually Atmos Tops Speakers selected.
If you are joking, it is a great Touche punchline.It's over my head.
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The point I am trying to make is that if we are going to start rating Atmos mixes it is beneficial to use vu meters for the tops at least.
¡Alucinante!Thank you for the link.
Actually, I already built my own "13 Channel VUMeter". I use it to compare the amount of content level going to the surrounds and to the heights/tops/wides. And also for fun. Very useful.
Here you can see how it looks: The *OFFICIAL* Denon AVR-X8500H 13.2ch Flagship AVR Thread
Edited: BTW, at the end of that post of my link, after all pictures, you can see/hear a video of the working gadget with Booka Shade with good enough amount on the Heights, actually Atmos Tops Speakers selected.
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