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HiRez Poll Doors - Doors [DVD-A/SACD]

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Rate the DVD-A/SACD of The Doors - THE DOORS


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JonUrban

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Please post your comments, thoughts and observations on this title released in first in the "Perception" Box set in the DVD-Audio format, then in 2011 by WB on SACD in Japan, and again in 2014 as a single US SACD (Made in Austria) or as part of the Limited Numbered Edition "Infinite" Box from Analog Productions.

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Well, ya twisted my arm, so...:D ;)

To put it succinctly, this is no less than one of the great debut albums in the history of rock music, and--though it's seldom mentioned--one of the most mature and knowing ever recorded. Why? For one thing, unlike most bands of the '60s, The Doors had a wide range of musical interests. On this 1967 album there is: one of the great opening tracks ever ("Break On Through," their debut 45); a great, gentle ballad ("The Crystal Ship," B-side of their sophomore 45); nods to serious R&B ("Back Door Man"), Brecht & Weill ("Alabama Song"--who else would've thought to do that?); the centerpiece and (edited) second and best hit ("Light My Fire"); and of course the perverse yet romantic finale, "The End" (censored in stereo, obviously profane in mono). And I haven't even mentioned the very cool and evocative "Soul Kitchen" or the sly "Take It As It Comes."

The chemistry was there early and never got better; or, as Greil Marcus once opined about this album, "...it was as far as they got" (which was true, despite some greatness to come). Jim Morrison, The Presence, Icon, Supreme Narcissist, or (as the late Lester Bangs claimed) a "Dionysian Bozo." Whatever he was, Morrison had talent not only as a singer (he could borrow from Sinatra for one song, Howlin' Wolf the next, and both when needed) but as a songwriter and (budding?) poet. Ray Manzarek's keyboard work lent the band several shades, for he could be a lounge lizard, garage band geek, or (more often) someone playing in some freak bar or honky tonk, the sound a little disturbing and off-kilter. Robbie Krieger's guitar work covered both rhythm and lead, acoustic and electric (much like the equally underrated Justin Hayward) and could shift from flamenco and basic riffing to slide work. John Densmore, like Ringo Starr, remains so underrated a drummer/percussionist, and for the same reason: he was anchoring three remarkable players, and wisely resisted going for flash or the spotlight, wonderfully consistent and resourceful.

Now, on to the mix (forgive my digression). My rating's is 9, not 10, only because it's a frontal L/C/R approach only; no rears at all. This decision was made because of the source session tapes. Even so, my hunch is that many (though not all) of the tracks probably could have had a decent 4.0 mix. That, and given the fact that RCA came up with workable (if not perfect) quad with Henry Mancini's earlier material, no reason that this one couldn't have been pushed a bit further. But that aside, the mix here is balanced, the sound exceptional.

This album is so strong it's worth owning in the original mono and stereo Lp mixes; the stereo CD remix (the MC here is based upon that disc--"Break On Through" and "The End" are uncensored); the quad Lp/tape; and in this L/C/R edition.


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I wonder why they stayed with the L/C/R approach when "Light My Fire" was a favorite 4 Channel demo track back in the quad days. Played it many times, and the "Best of the Doors", being a single inventory quadradisc, was probably the biggest selling CD-4 of all time (with Aloha it's nearest competitor)

At least we still have our QLPs, Q8's, and Q4's.
 

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9, only because of the mix. They didn't have a great deal to work with. Yet, they could have done better. I agree with Ed's "one of the great debut albums" comment. It ranks very high, but I'd vote for Moby Grape as THE BEST, also from '67. Passed on the Japan SACD MC, since I have the original "keyhole" Perception DVD-A/CD Box. If you don't already own the CD-4/Q4/Q8 and Perception Box, what's wrong with you? YOU NEED THEM!

Linda
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Well, 1967 was a hell of a year for rock albums, from SGT. PEPPER, FOREVER CHANGES and SURREALISTIC PILLOW to such remarkable debuts as THE DOORS, MOBY GRAPE, ARE YOU EXPERIENCED? (US or UK edition), THE VELVET UNDERGROUND & NICO, THE YOUNGBLOODS, FRESH CREAM, and Kaleidoscope's very underrated SIDE TRIPS. So many other fine albums: Aretha's I NEVER LOVED A MAN THE WAY I LOVE YOU, Otis Redding's LIVE IN EUROPE, THE STAX/VOLT REVUE Vol. 1 LIVE IN LONDON, The Mothers' ABSOLUTELY FREE, The Young Rascals' GROOVIN', BEE GEES 1st (it wasn't their first, really, but what the hey), BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD AGAIN, The Who's HAPPY JACK, and so many, many more.

That we have THE DOORS in L/C/R, limited as that may be, is still impressive. But I do believe certain cuts, like "The End" would have come off very nicely in 4.0 or 5.0 (like many, I'm not much of a '.1' fan) and would have been worth the attempt. But this is too impressive an album to ignore because it isn't quad or 5.1.

ED :)
 

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Not having heard this 5.1 mix until I purchased the Japan SACD, I was a bit disappointed. To me it sounded a bit too harsh.
The music itself is excellent, but the 5.1 mix sounds too thin to me.

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Could it be the bass was lacking because:
A-Doors didn't have a bassist. Manzarek's organ was the only "bass instrument" on most Doors tracks.
B-Elektra had been a folk music label. The Doors and Love were their first forays into rock.

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The stereo mix is a bit thin also. Rather lacking in bass.
 

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20th Century Fox has quite a bit of bass on the stereo reel-to-reel version.
 

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Could it be the bass was lacking because:
A-Doors didn't have a bassist. Manzarek's organ was the only "bass instrument" on most Doors tracks.
B-Elektra had been a folk music label. The Doors and Love were their first forays into rock.

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I'm aware the Doors do not have a bassist.

I've heard the quad reel of Doors Best of, and doesn't sound as thin as this SACD does. I'll have to dig out my Doors LP's and compare.

A_L
 

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I refer to the DVD-A version "Immersion box" which I think is one of the best examples how to re-release older albums in a modern (at least DVD-A was still modern at the time of release) format. The overall sound is very good and there is no bass lacking either. I gave a 9 because there is no surround sound.

Mats
 

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Could it be the bass was lacking because:
A-Doors didn't have a bassist. Manzarek's organ was the only "bass instrument" on most Doors tracks.
B-Elektra had been a folk music label. The Doors and Love were their first forays into rock.

Linda
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They did not play live with a bassist but the studio albums were augmented with some great bass players.
This album has some great bass but the remix did not do it many favours. One of my favorite doors albums, but in this case the remix was not an improovement, i think it sounds too digital.
 

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I wonder why they stayed with the L/C/R approach when "Light My Fire" was a favorite 4 Channel demo track back in the quad days. Played it many times, and the "Best of the Doors", being a single inventory quadradisc, was probably the biggest selling CD-4 of all time (with Aloha it's nearest competitor)

At least we still have our QLPs, Q8's, and Q4's.
Am I missing something here?
LCR is not Orange Book specification - SACD is supposed to be 2, 5 or 6 channel with 6 channel being 5.1 as opposed to 6.0
There is no mention of either Quad or LCR encoding at all in the DSDIFF encoder tools - they throw an error.
So there have to be silent surrounds here.

Is this also available in Quad? I never knew that!
Must go track me down a copy, I think.
 

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I thought they had at least some ambient rears on the remix...but basically it's all front l/r/c
I'll have to play the dvda again...and yes the quad mix was good
 

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Am I missing something here?
LCR is not Orange Book specification - SACD is supposed to be 2, 5 or 6 channel with 6 channel being 5.1 as opposed to 6.0
There is no mention of either Quad or LCR encoding at all in the DSDIFF encoder tools - they throw an error.
So there have to be silent surrounds here.

Is this also available in Quad? I never knew that!
Must go track me down a copy, I think.

There's a lot of 3 channel (L/C/R) SACD's out there. The Living Stereo series, the recent Nat King Cole releases to name a few. You also have 4 channel SACDs.

"Orange Book specification" is a follow-up to "Red Book spesification" and includes the recordable CD formats CD-R and CD-RW in addition to the read-only CD-DA. The specification document for SACD is called "Scarlet Book".
 

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Only selected tracks from the first album are in quad on THE BEST OF THE DOORS, and that was their only quad album, custom-made for the quad market (it did later have a stereo record club counterpart, FWIW). BEST also remained in print into the late '80s.

ED :)
 

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Those record clubs just can't stay away from anything titled "The Best Of", even if it wasn't meant for them.
 

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Indeed...and what they did was simply take a piece of the front cover and superimpose it over the 'quadradisc' logo. Looked stupid, to say the least.

ED :)
 
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