Q & A with Elliot Scheiner

[knifeman]

This is from The Immersive Audio Album site: Q&A with Elliot Scheiner: 5.1 Mixing Pioneer Talks The Eagles, Cars, Baseball, and Atmos (immersiveaudioalbum.com)

 

[4-earredwonder]

This is from The Immersive Audio Album site: Q&A with Elliot Scheiner: 5.1 Mixing Pioneer Talks The Eagles, Cars, Baseball, and Atmos (immersiveaudioalbum.com)

Very interesting little chat with Elliot, knifeman. So he's NOT a fan of ATMOS for music...for Movies YES....but he did state he recently got calls to do a 5.1 remix for James Taylor and Carole King. What's UP with THAT?

 

[humprof]

This is from The Immersive Audio Album site: Q&A with Elliot Scheiner: 5.1 Mixing Pioneer Talks The Eagles, Cars, Baseball, and Atmos (immersiveaudioalbum.com)

D'oh! Just posted about this in another thread. (In addition to dissing Atmos for music, I think Scheiner at one point is actually giving an indirect shout-out to QQ members who bought Alain Mallet's Mutt Slang II...)
https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/fo...cheiner-on-inside-musicast.28301/#post-552488

 

[sjcorne]

Great read! I'm definitely curious about the James Taylor & Carole King project--are we talking about a live show or a studio album?

 

[privateuniverse]

I think me and some of the other Connecticut QQ'ers are gonna have to head out to Bristol for a baseball game and see if we can meet the man!

 

[4-earredwonder]

I think me and some of the other Connecticut QQ'ers are gonna have to head out to Bristol for a baseball game and see if we can meet the man!

And make sure you wear a MAKE SURROUND GREAT AGAIN baseball cap!

 

[elmer]

I think me and some of the other Connecticut QQ'ers are gonna have to head out to Bristol for a baseball game and see if we can meet the man!

I’m in!

 

[boxhead]

Well the talk of his 'retirement' a few years ago seems to have been off the mark. Sounds like he's keener to keep mixing 5.1 than ever.

 

[groo]

Elliot to me is the real maestro of surround far ahead of Steven Wilson. He understands the science and emotions behind the mixing. It's not about the number of channels but how it is mixed with even a limited number of channels case in point a well done quad mix can far elevate the experience than a good 5.1 mix.

 

[salsdali]

interesting article, a lot of the stuff he said was not what I expected to hear and that really threw me a curve ball

 

[ssully]

Elliot to me is the real maestro of surround far ahead of Steven Wilson. He understands the science and emotions behind the mixing. It's not about the number of channels but how it is mixed with even a limited number of channels case in point a well done quad mix can far elevate the experience than a good 5.1 mix.

Scheiner's mixes always sound amazingly like the original, except with more channels; he knows how to maintain the familiar balance of the original elements even when they're newly spread across 5 channels. He also manages to get reverbs right.

Steven Wilson, not so much.

 

[sjcorne]

Scheiner's mixes always sound amazingly like the original, except with more channels; he knows how to maintain the familiar balance of the original elements even when they're newly spread across 5 channels.

I'd say that's true of everything he's worked on with the exception of the R.E.M. catalog--those 5.1 mixes are, at times, quite different-sounding than the original stereo versions. Not necessarily in a bad way, but different nonetheless. The tremolo sound in "What's The Frequency, Kenneth?" is completely changed. There's an extra guitar part in "The One I Love". Patti Smith's vocals in "E-Bow The Letter" are much quieter.

 

[edisonbaggins]

Elliot to me is the real maestro of surround far ahead of Steven Wilson. He understands the science and emotions behind the mixing.

Ironic, in light of the recent "dozens of Elliot Scheiner LFE/phase mix issues" thread that's been so friggin' depressing to read lately...

 

[ar surround]

What’s the big deal? I like both Scheiner’s and Wilson’s mixes. Maybe Late-stage Pandemic Brain has turned us into a bunch of nitpickers.

 

[IMachine]

Better to have Wilson AND Scheiner mixes!

 

[Clint Eastwood]

What’s the big deal? I like both Scheiner’s and Wilson’s mixes. Maybe Late-stage Pandemic Brain has turned us into a bunch of nitpickers.

Nitpickers is a flattering assessment IMO

 

[MrSmithers]

Cool interview... I took from it that the Appetite For Destruction 5.1 must've been done quite a while ago?

Great he's still into 5.1 and lovin' it. I think his mixes are superb too.

Regarding his hesitancy to Atmos... I understand his reservations but I would say the overuse of panning is down to choice by the mixer. I think it can add depth to a mix too. And an Atmos mix in his hands could sound spectacular!

Also some of his hesitancy sounds like Universal Music/Dolby dominance (with a lack of quality control). And the actual mixes only being heard on soundbars and smart speakers? Which are fair points...

 

[Jeffrey Michael]

For me, when I listen to albums that were mixed right in Dolby Atmos or Auro-3D, it’s all about expansion with using more speakers. I would rather have fewer speakers to install and look at (I prefer 4) but it’s what ends up sounding better. 99% of the time, I end up using Auromatic and sometimes Dolby Surround with my 4.0 and 5.1 mixes because it sounds better. You don’t really need 11 or more speakers to enjoy Dolby Atmos. It only takes 5.1.2. In my experience, 9.1.4 sounds better. Maybe with time, ES will open up to the idea of mixing music in Dolby Atmos. If not, I would gladly accept more of his 5.1 mixes.

 

[J. PUPSTER]

I could have sworn, I saw something on this forum where Elliot was advertising for Dolby Atmos, anyone remember that?
*edit- could have been Clearmountain

Here’s that long interview on insidemusicast
about a year ago just for a GP Elliot refresher in case anyone missed it.
https://www.insidemusicast.com/musicasts/2020/02/03-elliot-scheiner

 

[sjcorne]

I took from it that the Appetite For Destruction 5.1 must've been done quite a while ago?

The box set’s liner notes say it was done in September 2017.