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While I have no inside knowledge regarding whether or not reissues (with or without surround) have been discussed amongst the members of the band, we do know that all has not been well when it comes to relations among the five people in the classic line-up. Since Hodgson's departure in 1983, he has continually been critical of Davies' handling of the band's affairs. Then more recently, Helliwell, Thompson and Siebenberg put together a DVD/Blu-ray of the band's legendary 1979 Paris concert. They did so without consent of Hodgson or Davies. Then to add insult to injury, the distributors of the DVD did not pay the two songwriters any publishing royalties. (This appeared to have been a deliberate move. Songwriters for incidental music contained on the disc are credited, but nowhere on the disc are Davies' and Hodgson's songwriting credits ever mentioned). This particularly enraged Hodgson who launched a smear campaign, discouraging fans from purchasing the disc. This was quite unfortunate as the footage of the Paris concert had been a holy grail that fans had for decades been clamoring for. (It was released. I do have a copy and it is wonderful. Just unfortunate that so much bad blood and unethical business practices surround the release).

Crime and Breakfast have both been given reissues. The Crime reissue only adds a single live CD as bonus content. A good show, but it is one that has been circulating among fans and on quasi-legitimate released for years. The Breakfast reissue also adds a live CD; this one at least contained recordings that were new to fans. (A mega Breakfast box added a DVD that had minimal content).

So, even forgetting surround sound, the band hasn't been too aggressive when it comes to reissuing the old albums. I would have to imagine that the bad blood amongst the band members doesn't help.
 
While I have no inside knowledge regarding whether or not reissues (with or without surround) have been discussed amongst the members of the band, we do know that all has not been well when it comes to relations among the five people in the classic line-up. Since Hodgson's departure in 1983, he has continually been critical of Davies' handling of the band's affairs. Then more recently, Helliwell, Thompson and Siebenberg put together a DVD/Blu-ray of the band's legendary 1979 Paris concert. They did so without consent of Hodgson or Davies. Then to add insult to injury, the distributors of the DVD did not pay the two songwriters any publishing royalties. (This appeared to have been a deliberate move. Songwriters for incidental music contained on the disc are credited, but nowhere on the disc are Davies' and Hodgson's songwriting credits ever mentioned). This particularly enraged Hodgson who launched a smear campaign, discouraging fans from purchasing the disc. This was quite unfortunate as the footage of the Paris concert had been a holy grail that fans had for decades been clamoring for. (It was released. I do have a copy and it is wonderful. Just unfortunate that so much bad blood and unethical business practices surround the release).

Crime and Breakfast have both been given reissues. The Crime reissue only adds a single live CD as bonus content. A good show, but it is one that has been circulating among fans and on quasi-legitimate released for years. The Breakfast reissue also adds a live CD; this one at least contained recordings that were new to fans. (A mega Breakfast box added a DVD that had minimal content).

So, even forgetting surround sound, the band hasn't been too aggressive when it comes to reissuing the old albums. I would have to imagine that the bad blood amongst the band members doesn't help.
I had read that many moons ago….figured!! Gees reminds me of PF!! :ROFLMAO:
 
DIVOS ....THE WHOLE LOT!

Meanwhile, the rest of us have to suffer REAR CHANNEL SILENCE!

And NO TINY TIM in 5.1 ..... IMO, THE Crime of the Century!!!!!!!

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I wish you wouldn't do that; I can't un-see it now :eek:
 
A long post written by Roger nine years ago on Facebook regarding his dissatisfaction with the release of the Paris DVD:

Dear friends and fans,

Many of you have asked me about the status of the Paris DVD, so I wanted to write to you directly with the latest news. Unfortunately many laws, both legal and moral, were broken and the Paris DVD is now about to be put out using illegal and unethical methods. It is now in the hands of attorneys to resolve the legal dispute between the publishing company and the labels. I don’t know which side will win, yet what I’ve learned in the music business, it’s usually whichever attorneys have the most funding, not necessarily the ones who are in the right.

What Eagle Rock and John, Bob and Dougie (who are calling themselves “the Supertramp Partnership”) are trying to do is to take away our songwriters rights. Legally, a label needs songwriters’ and publisher’s approval to put this type of product out and instead they are twisting some kind of legal loophole trying to say they don’t need the required licenses. Songwriters are given legal rights and yet in the industry, they are getting ripped off in all kinds of ways and if this goes through, it is going to make things even more difficult for songwriters. What they are trying to do in claiming they can take away the songwriters and publishing rights could make it possible for other labels to do this to other songwriters in the future.

An attorney friend of mine who has been in the music industry 40 years who is also a publisher and has worked a lot with the Beatles catalog said he has never heard of anyone doing this in the music business - for a label to try to put out a DVD without the publishing company and songwriter’s approval. This whole issue is much bigger than this one DVD. They are not only trying to take away rights from Rick and myself as songwriters, they are affecting the rights of songwriters all over the world with what they are trying to do.

Back in the spring and summer of 2011, I was working with the band and Eagle in a spirit of cooperation to release the Paris DVD. I spent many, many hours reviewing and giving artistic feedback and edits – and this was only at the very beginning of putting together the DVD. There were many things I compromised on, yet we told them I would give my songwriters approval and other rights that I have as a founding member of Supertramp as long as they incorporated the minimal things I asked for – and that they agreed to in writing and then I heard nothing else about it.

Last summer we were told that the DVD was shelved because of whatever quality issues Rick had with it, he did not approve of the release. And we were told Eagle would not release the DVD until they got approval from the publishing company, who represent the songwriters - so I thought the project was dead. Then a few weeks ago I found out the band guys had been working on the DVD all this time secretly behind my back, completely violating the spirit of cooperation I had been in with them up until then.

The only reason I even received a copy was because a fan let me know it was coming out and I asked Eagle to send me one, which I received just a few days ago - after it has already been shipped to distributors. I was shocked receiving the DVD completely manufactured and shrink wrapped before I’d even seen it! There is a whole montage of pictures, bonus materials and liner notes which I have never seen and have never been given the opportunity to comment on. They are putting out a product that is supposed to be representing all five of us, and it’s not. It is only representing the three of them.

Bob, John and Dougie are representing themselves to Eagle as the ‘Supertramp partnership’ and the contract is just between the three of them and Eagle. Whether you are a Rick fan or a Roger fan or both, I feel all fans would agree that it’s not right for the three non-songwriters to control the Supertramp catalog, claiming I have no artistic voice, no input, no say at all in the creation of any Supertramp products, and yet they want to use my performances, my image and likeness and my songs.

To have received this DVD all packaged at the very last minute feels very out of integrity. They have not kept their agreements and have not honored my artistic, creative, technical or editorial inputs at all. For example, I wanted the songs to have correct writer’s credit and for it to be delineated who wrote which songs. And instead they have gone so far as to completely bury who the songwriters are from the public. There is no credit being given to the songwriters or the publishers on the packaging or the film yet credit is being given to the merchandisers, the trucking company and who dressed up in a monkey suit. They don’t list the songwriters at all, giving the illusion to the public that Supertramp wrote the songs, which is not true at all. And they know how important it has been to me as a songwriter to have my songs delineated. That is the only thing that I had to help me continue on with my career beyond Supertramp.

I know the three of them are going to say they are doing it for the fans, but that is not what is really going on. If they were really thinking about the fans, they would know that fans would want me to have input on the DVD. This isn’t about the fans or about the music. This DVD is about a power play, it’s about money, control, envy and underhanded music business tactics and I want nothing to do with it.

For me I truly was getting involved because so many of you have said you wanted a DVD from one of the concerts when I was with the band. And I hope you can understand that while I always wanted something like this out there, I cannot approve of a product that is created with this kind of manipulation and deceit because I believe that the energy and where you come from when you create something is very important.

The other reason I wanted to work on the DVD was to ensure that all five members could share their experiences from that tour, and I wanted to make sure it would be the best quality product possible. Unfortunately, I also cannot endorse the DVD because of its technical shortcomings, editorial inaccuracies and poor quality.

So I don’t want any fans out there to be fooled, and for anyone who decides to buy the DVD, I wanted you to know this DVD was created out of very questionable legal maneuvering. The band that you see playing on the DVD has not existed for 30 years. Now it’s all about business and the business part of music can be ruthless and backstabbing, just as any other business can be. That is one of the reasons I left LA and wanted to get out of the music business all those years ago. It’s not how I want to live my life and it’s not why I do music.

This is one of the reasons that I’m happier now than I ever have been touring the way I’m touring – not caught up in the music industry and all the ugly parts of the business. No record label owns me, no publisher owns me, no managers own me, no agents own me. I can stay true to myself and tour when I want, how I want. I can play to 3000 or 85,000 or anywhere in between – I’m ok not playing huge arenas anymore, it’s about playing music to help make people happy, it doesn’t matter what size the audience is.

I became a musician when I was 12. It’s what I love to do and it’s what I’m good at. And I will continue for as long as I can travelling around the world doing concerts. For me, one of the most important things as an artist is to play music for the art, for the magic that’s possible with music to help lift people’s spirits, help open their hearts to receive some healing and relief from all the troubles in this world.

I want to keep this Paris DVD issue separate from what I’ve been striving for all these years as an artist, my reasons for touring and playing music. I know many of you wanted to know my thoughts about the Paris DVD, so that is why I’m just sending this to the fan sites and you’re welcome to leave any comments there on the sites.

For something more positive and uplifting, you can visit my Facebook or website guestbook and read some really amazing and touching stories from fans around the world. I so appreciate you all and am fully aware that if it wasn’t for you loving the music or my songs I wouldn’t be out here performing like this. Reading your stories and experiences from the shows is my inspiration.

With love,

Roger
 
There was almost nothing of value in the few threads that came up so I'm no farther ahead

If you JUST have the MoFi Gold CD which is 44.1/16bit, the BD~A is LOSSLESS and should better the CD by a considerable margin. Just played the BD~A the other day and I can attest it sounds FABULOUS...as it should @ 192kHz/24b resolution!


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