Haha, I'm clearly not communicating or receiving very well today! I'm open to some surprises in a surround mix, perhaps moreso outside of an album presentation. Outside of surround sound I quite enjoy finding and hearing alternate mixes.
Yes, and that's my point exactly. It would be difficult to arrive at a pre-surround starting point near-identical to the original stereo, making a true-to-the-original surround mix nigh on impossible.
The way this album was recorded, it would prove very difficult, if not near-impossible to remix; it seems like a kind of Fleetwood Mac Tango In The Night situation, unfortunately...
What is the situation with Tango in the Night and So? Multis missing, stuff destroyed, lots of bounce downs, etc?
I'd prefer Shock The Monkey or Games Without Frontiers in 5.1 anyway. Frontiers (German language vers.) in 5.1 is a no brainer really. I have a the feeling Peter does not exactly "get" surround mixing. And that he can release a deluxe version of one of his key albums, not include 5.1, and then say "we just ran out of time", or "we passed on that option for now, sorry." When Crimson, Tull, ELP, Floyd, Moodies, and Genesis have their works in 5.1, he is surrounded by elephants in the room.The way this album was recorded, it would prove very difficult, if not near-impossible to remix; it seems like a kind of Fleetwood Mac Tango In The Night situation, unfortunately...
That's what I was told by someone who used to work for him when I enquired. From what I gathered most of the early PG was recorded this 'way of working', so although they took ages, bits were very spontaneous, and then tracks 'hacked about', revisited, overdubbed directly, direct effects added, tracks bounced etc. Some tracks may be possible but not whole albums - I did hear they had played around and unofficially done a few tracks in surround themselves. So sadly I would say no chance for the albums pre-Up. However, there is the Play DVD of video singles with surround which I thought I had but now can't find!The way this album was recorded, it would prove very difficult, if not near-impossible to remix; it seems like a kind of Fleetwood Mac Tango In The Night situation, unfortunately...
With ya on most of that. I'd like to hear the first 4 albums remixed by Steve Wilson. I think we'd hear a transformation the likes of Tull's first album. The timing on these was unfortunate. Going from the grandiose mixes and sounds on those Genesis albums straight to the later '70s period of low budget studio mixes and falling vinyl quality did NOT serve those albums well originally. Being able to listen to the HD masters finally after all these years at least lets us finally enjoy them at a higher level after the fact.I'd prefer Shock The Monkey or Games Without Frontiers in 5.1 anyway. Frontiers (German language vers.) in 5.1 is a no brainer really. I have a the feeling Peter does not exactly "get" surround mixing. And that he can release a deluxe version of one of his key albums, not include 5.1, and then say "we just ran out of time", or "we passed on that option for now, sorry." When Crimson, Tull, ELP, Floyd, Moodies, and Genesis have their works in 5.1, he is surrounded by elephants in the room.
And this might not be everyone else's opinion, but to me the Security album was re-written twice after the fact, once with the "Birdy" score, and another with the "Christ" score. It sounds like it to me. This was a clue that whatever came next, hit or miss would be the last time he scaled major heights commercially or artistically. I found him or his work artistically "spent" by 1999. It's not sad because he developed a label for other artists, and his background includes all those genesis albums plus the solo stuff, and that's a lot of fine work right there. There is 30 years of work there, and running out of steam at the end of the 90s is not considered failure imo.
That's what I was told by someone who used to work for him when I enquired. From what I gathered most of the early PG was recorded this 'way of working', so although they took ages, bits were very spontaneous, and then tracks 'hacked about', revisited, overdubbed directly, direct effects added, tracks bounced etc. Some tracks may be possible but not whole albums - I did hear they had played around and unofficially done a few tracks in surround themselves. So sadly I would say no chance for the albums pre-Up. However, there is the Play DVD of video singles with surround which I thought I had but now can't find!
Did Bob Ezrin produce the first album, I think so. Bob would not put up with odd ways of tracking an important album. You don’t get a producer like that and run the production off the tracks with lost reels. So no, that a 5.1 is not possible is not a possibility here.That's what I was told by someone who used to work for him when I enquired. From what I gathered most of the early PG was recorded this 'way of working', so although they took ages, bits were very spontaneous, and then tracks 'hacked about', revisited, overdubbed directly, direct effects added, tracks bounced etc. Some tracks may be possible but not whole albums - I did hear they had played around and unofficially done a few tracks in surround themselves. So sadly I would say no chance for the albums pre-Up. However, there is the Play DVD of video singles with surround which I thought I had but now can't find!
I've read that too... a -30dB drop in the DTS level but not in the Dolby level. But after ripping my version, I found no such problem with the DTS tracks. I wonder if it wasn't corrected on a later pressing. The biggest issue I have with the PLAY disk is the alteration of several of the tracks, especially Big Time.Seems I read about the original PLAY DVD having -30db error in the dts; recommend the Live Athens twofer with supposedly corrected levels on the PLAY-DVD
I’m really not that familiar with his music to know there was anything amiss with particular songs; so could you be more specific about BIG TIME, and I’ll listen for it, THANKS!I've read that too... a -30dB drop in the DTS level but not in the Dolby level. But after ripping my version, I found no such problem with the DTS tracks. I wonder if it wasn't corrected on a later pressing. The biggest issue I have with the PLAY disk is the alteration of several of the tracks, especially Big Time.
You will notice it right away. Keyboard and synth parts are just MIAI’m really not that familiar with his music to know there was anything amiss with particular songs; so could you be more specific about BIG TIME, and I’ll listen for it, THANKS!
Yeah, that does sound like a BIG TIME mess upYou will notice it right away. Keyboard and synth parts are just MIA
Yes I got the original PLAY with -30db error and have since acquired the Live in Athens 2fer...pleased I got it.Seems I read about the original PLAY DVD having -30db error in the dts; recommend the Live Athens twofer with supposedly corrected levels on the PLAY-DVD
I've read that too... a -30dB drop in the DTS level but not in the Dolby level. But after ripping my version, I found no such problem with the DTS tracks. I wonder if it wasn't corrected on a later pressing. The biggest issue I have with the PLAY disk is the alteration of several of the tracks, especially Big Time.
That would explain it.It's not actually a baked-in error in the tracks, it's a metadata error in the DTS encoding. Some hardware responds to the erroneous flag and drops the volume, but it's not universal. I assume that's how it escaped--no one in charge heard the problem.
I remember jumping through some kind of hoops to remove (correct?) the flag on mine, but it's been so long that I no longer remember what I had to do.
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