It's interesting that this seems to be similar to Tacet's recommended speaker positions.From 2015 Guthrie interview.
As it was then, so also for the 2018 mix.
I rest my case.
http://www.soundbard.com/soundbard/...on-mixing-roger-waters-and-pink-floyd-in-5-1/
What is the optimal position a listener should take to get the most out of Amused to Death in 5.1?
Guthrie: Directly in the middle! Actually, I like to be ever so slightly in front of that position.
I’ve heard some mixes that sound a bit “rectangular,” or narrow, so I try to create a circular space with the 5.1 soundstage in order to offer a three-dimensional experience, even if the listener is off-axis.
The most difficult area to fill when creating that circle is the area directly to your left and right — if you are sitting in the middle — and we have to work with that challenge.
The easiest way to make a sound appear to be coming from a point source is to put a speaker there. Obviously, this is not possible with the agreed upon 5.1 configuration, although we do recommend placing the rear speakers further back than the original ITU specification dictated. This is detailed in the included sound-setup page on the ATD Blu-ray.
With the circular approach, it’s interesting to me how, even when standing outside of the circle, you still seem to get a three-dimensional musical experience.
With my first proper Dynaquad system, I had to put the right rear speaker in a closet that had a sliding door. It was the only location that my parents would tolerate. Regardless, I was darn happy with that setup! The point is that one must not give up on multichannel because of speaker location difficulties, rather simply find a way."The Placement":
...are often (more than ) three different things. Like Pigs (Three Different Ones).
- What is the recommended placement?
- Where could the speakers be placed?
- And finally what is the position of the speakers?
Absolutely. In my 5.1 setup I aim the rear speakers at the wall that is directly behind my listening position rather than aiming the rears at the listening position. I love it. This way the rears blend more naturally with the fronts.The point is that one must not give up on multichannel because of speaker location difficulties, rather simply find a way.
I love this Bob Clearmountain quote:The point is that one must not give up on multichannel because of speaker location difficulties, rather simply find a way.
“In the early days I was involved in a paper about the proper way to set up a 5.1 system for mixing along with a bunch of other engineers like George Massenburg, and I remember there was a big discussion about ‘Where do you put the rear speakers?’ and ‘What’s the angle in relation to the centre?’ And I said, ‘Man, I put them where nobody will bump into them.’ I’m just using basically large bookshelf Dynaudio BM15As and then they’re on speaker stands in the only place that I can fit them and it works perfectly, you know? It’s been fine. A lot of it’s just practicality, you know?”
This is the way that I have mine but I also have back speakers for 7.1. Animals does sound better with the rear speaker information also populated to the back speakers. This one does, other mixes don't.Absolutely. In my 5.1 setup I aim the rear speakers at the wall that is directly behind my listening position rather than aiming the rears at the listening position. I love it. This way the rears blend more naturally with the fronts.
ok, so i like most of his MultiCh mixes and that approach may be ok for mixes where there's unique content in each Rear channel but for mixes where there's Stereo Rears (i.e. those with Centre Back phantom imaging) you absolutely must have the Rears carefully setup, properly placed, individual volume level adjusted and time-aligned (i.e. the distance setting) in your AVR or Processor.I love this Bob Clearmountain quote:
My rear speakers are on wall brackets firing upwards at the ceiling, I get the reflected sound. My room isn't deep enough to get any speakers behind me, the sofa is up against the rear wall. I can't go for side rather than rear speakers even if I wanted to (which I don't), because the right "rear" would need mounting in the middle of a window. My fronts are also further apart than Dolby recommend. I'm not really using either of the recommended layouts, but I'm a lot closer to four corners traditional quad style. That should be Animals compatible.Absolutely. In my 5.1 setup I aim the rear speakers at the wall that is directly behind my listening position rather than aiming the rears at the listening position. I love it. This way the rears blend more naturally with the fronts.
for mixes where there's unique content in each Rear channel but for mixes where there's Stereo Rears (i.e. those with Centre Back phantom imaging) you absolutely must have the Rears carefully setup, properly placed, individual volume level adjusted and time-aligned (i.e. the distance setting) in your AVR or Processor.
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