No Kidding. When I went to the youtube video with Alan Han and George Massenburg, another video was recommended:
Here is a George Massenberg quote from that video: "What the requirement is for immersive mixing is that we get back to doing good mixes, high quality mixes. Not just pressing buttons on plugins, but mixing where you grab a fader. This thing where you use plugins is bullsh**."
Ouch. If Han actually is using "plug-ins" (or their AI equivalent) for any of these mixes, then his old teacher just burned him!