I enjoy a lot of up-mixed music (especially my own
) but it’s all in each person’s perspectives, and expectations of how they want it to sound. If someone enjoys this music up-mix then that’s fine, but I also know there’s plenty of stuff I’d love to up-mix; but no matter what I try, the source material just doesn’t allow for an enjoyable ride and I have to accept that and move on. I’d expect the professionals to realize those limitations even more so.
I believe they do along with other enhancement tools probably as well. Penteo (for me at least) is just the starting point, with the bulk of the work to be done afterwards. There might even be some pre-Penteo processing done to clean up some things or widen out the sound. I always feel the artist’s input (if available) as to their artistic vision should play into the process.
Interesting. I remember an interview from last year where Anderson said he'd put a bug in Wilson's ear about remixing the album if the masters could be found. I wonder if that's the extent of what he's being thanked for, or if Wiseman consulted Wilson about the upmix?
Yes I think so. There's a track on Tears For Fears - Songs For A Big Chair, and 3 tracks on Gentle Giant - Octopus, which were upmixed with Penteo, presumably by him, I'm not sure.
The SM2 is pretty good at extracting phase differenced signals from a lot of albums, it was very front centric when I played Olias through it. So my take is that this album is very difficult to up-mix, as there is not a lot to 'work' with. My be as JP says it needs a lot more up front processing (like the stereo image widening tools first), before Penteo can do anything with it. There is only so much money/time a record company can afford to spend on a project. I do wish they had been able to find the multi-tracks. BTW I too have heard some great Penteo up-mixes, but it needs the right 'material' to start with, and I suspect an awful lot of time spent on them.
You could think of "upmixing" as simply mastering a 2.0 source to a 5.1 format. In that context, you could create a mastered version that has some extended separation and was a better presentation with the mastering work. (Or at least in someone's opinion!) Ultimately the original 2.0 might still be the cleanest original sound on a reference level system. But the presentation that extends into 5.1 channels may come across better for it on a smaller or lesser 5.1 system.
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Due to aging eyes the original LP to look at! but I have always preferred the sound of the Japanese CD, it also came with a full miniature booklet like the LP. However, I haven't compared with the stereo on the new DVD.
Understand that for sure; guess we'll have to do some reporting on this thread to cover it. Hey new Avatar huh rt?
