Roll the Bones, even!!!There's Rush fans who listen to Presto, after all.
Roll the Bones, even!!!There's Rush fans who listen to Presto, after all.
Wait a f%^&ing second sporto, I like RtB!!!Roll the Bones, even!!!
LOL. they are the only two Rush albums that I have a hard time wanting to listen to. They were just not heavy enough (musically) for me. However they were never on the “never listen to again” pile like TFB.Roll the Bones, even!!!
There's always going to be fans that love everything from an artist. There's Rush fans who listen to Presto, after all.
Every Rush album beyond Power Windows has tracks I usually skip. Some more than others.LOL. they are the only two Rush albums that I have a hard time wanting to listen to. They were just not heavy enough (musically) for me. However they were never on the “never listen to again” pile like TFB.
Who knows, I might check out TFB again on a whim but I might not.
Show Don't Tell and Dreamline are two of Rush's top 20(?) tracks, from their objectively overall weakest albums (I haven't forgotten about you, Test For Echo). Dreamline in particular drew me to Rush when I heard it on the radio. The rest is history.Every Rush album beyond Power Windows has tracks I usually skip. Some more than others.
I personally like around 7 or 8 songs from Presto. 3 or 4 from RtB. 8 from Counterparts. A handful from Test for Echo, and so on.
As for production, it's hit and miss for me, basically beyond Moving Pictures, and mostly miss. Counterparts sound awesome. Most other later-period Rush does not.
Yes, there are definitely Rush die-hards that love every track from every album. Cool. I used to be way more in love with some Rush material than I am now.
The production of TFB is stellar. There are a few songs I remember liking well enough. And especially some of the bonus tracks. Totally wish those were all mixed into Atmos.
Dreamline is a bad-ass song. If the rest of Roll the Bones was as strong it would be a ruthlessly great album. If, and it's a big if... If, the production didn't suck.Show Don't Tell and Dreamline are two of Rush's top 20(?) tracks, from their objectively overall weakest albums (I haven't forgotten about you, Test For Echo). Dreamline in particular drew me to Rush when I heard it on the radio. The rest is history.
me tooWait a f%^&ing second sporto, I like RtB!!!![]()
Snakes and Arrows? Clockwork Angels? I thought those were strong entries into the Rush canon.Every Rush album beyond Power Windows has tracks I usually skip. Some more than others.
I personally like around 7 or 8 songs from Presto. 3 or 4 from RtB. 8 from Counterparts. A handful from Test for Echo, and so on.
As for production, it's hit and miss for me, basically beyond Moving Pictures, and mostly miss. Counterparts sound awesome. Most other later-period Rush does not.
Yes, there are definitely Rush die-hards that love every track from every album. Cool. I used to be way more in love with some Rush material than I am now.
The production of TFB is stellar. There are a few songs I remember liking well enough. And especially some of the bonus tracks. Totally wish those were all mixed into Atmos./
I'm always happy for anyone who likes or loves any album.Snakes and Arrows? Clockwork Angels? I thought those were strong entries into the Rush canon.
Dreamline is a bad-ass song. If the rest of Roll the Bones was as strong it would be a ruthlessly great album. If, and it's a big if... If, the production didn't suck.
@Stephen W Tayler worked on both, IIRC. He has stated that a complete remix is needed. The recordings have good bones, but final mixing and mastering decisions were unsympathetic to the intent (at least the intent of some involved). Or something to that effect. Not trying to speak for him.There was a fan remaster going around that bumped some of the low end. The issue is that even on the official RtB remaster the low end lacks and IIRC it was because the mastering engineer actually trimmed the low end aggressively, to the point frequencies below 80hz (again, IIRC) barely exist. Believe the same engineer worked on Presto, which is also sterile sounding AF. I wonder with more guts if these albums would present better to my ears.
Do you mean *mixing engineer? If the original mastering engineer had done it, well, then, no problem: it's still there on the mixes for the next mastering engineer. I think the main issue is that, for whatever reason, producer Rupert Hine wanted these albums to sound lean. @Stephen W Tayler could confirm.The issue is that even on the official RtB remaster the low end lacks and IIRC it was because the mastering engineer actually trimmed the low end aggressively, to the point frequencies below 80hz (again, IIRC) barely exist. Believe the same engineer worked on Presto, which is also sterile sounding AF.
I love my AF SACD copy. It cranks pretty well. I can get it bumping. Just those distorted guitar parts during Available Light make my ears bleed. Like buzzsaws!!!https://www.discogs.com/release/5716728-Rush-Presto
I have this copy. It takes this album to a different level as Geddy's bass playing is so clear in the mix, When I listen to this version I am blown away by Mr Wienrib's talent
Yes, that could be the right angle of looking at it. Uusally (back then, not necessarily true today) the mixing engineer hands their mix to the mastering engineer, so in theory as you suggest there would be a non-neutered mix [pre-mastering] available. But more likely the mix itself was pruned of low end prior to the mastering process. Might have thrown the mastering engineer under the bus (common trope with the loudness wars nowadays).Do you mean *mixing engineer? If the original mastering engineer had done it, well, then, no problem: it's still there on the mixes for the next mastering engineer. I think the main issue is that, for whatever reason, producer Rupert Hine wanted these albums to sound lean. @Stephen W Tayler could confirm.
Presto has some of Ged's best bass playing IMO. It's always sounded good to my ears.https://www.discogs.com/release/5716728-Rush-Presto
I have this copy. It takes this album to a different level as Geddy's bass playing is so clear in the mix, When I listen to this version I am blown away by Mr Wienrib's talent