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Tears for Fears-Songs From The Big Chair - HiRez 5.1!

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I have heard SFTBC 4 times already......it is a great mix by Steven Wilson.....but for me it doesnt have the WOW factor i was expecting (believe me....i hate myself for saying this) i also found more exciting the mix of Bryan Adams Reckless by Bob Clearmountain.....specially One Night Love Affair and Somebody......i dont know why some of QQ members want to give this title an 8......i found some bias toward Steven Wilson.......(by the way i love 99% of Steven's work).....but everyone should receive their fair recognition......Bob's mix is excellent.....for me it should deserve not less than 9
 

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I have heard SFTBC 4 times already......it is a great mix by Steven Wilson.....but for me it doesnt have the WOW factor i was expecting (believe me....i hate myself for saying this) i also found more exciting the mix of Bryan Adams Reckless by Bob Clearmountain.....specially One Night Love Affair and Somebody......i dont know why some of QQ members want to give this title an 8......i found some bias toward Steven Wilson.......(by the way i love 99% of Steven's work).....but everyone should receive their fair recognition......Bob's mix is excellent.....for me it should deserve not less than 9
All the great reviews of this album are pushing me to buy it, but the truth is just not one of those albums I'm that interested in hearing again. Don't get me wrong, I think there are some great songs on the record and I played it to death back in the day. But today it just feels like a collection of classic rock hits that I don't need to go out of my way to hear or feel like 5.1 is going to give me anything 'new' to be excited about.

But, I should probably get it just to support 5.1 if nothing else....
 

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Seems ironic - all these reviews on the non-poll thread. After telling people not to post non-review posts on the poll thread. "The best laid plans..."
LOL..well I see what you mean but think of it as us perfecting our review posts when we actually give our numbered ratings post on the actual poll thread...that's what I'm thinking...of course I rationalize a lot..I'm thinking this is the pre-rating thread..
 

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Seems ironic - all these reviews on the non-poll thread. After telling people not to post non-review posts on the poll thread. "The best laid plans..."
I suspect a few of us are gunshy. Also, it is good to chat about the releases and give them a few more listens so our votes and comments in the polls are, for lack of a better word, settled down.
 

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LOL..well I see what you mean but think of it as us perfecting our review posts when we actually give our numbered ratings post on the actual poll thread...that's what I'm thinking...of course I rationalize a lot..I'm thinking this is the pre-rating thread..
Well, I would agree. Gotta be a thread where we can dissect it...talk about it....over and over. Seems the poll thread is not that place...but....I'm sort of new here.
 

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That's an interesting perspective...I guess it depends on whether you think this band is a synth pop band with some dark overtones(not quite as dark as THE CURE)...or some consider them New Wave or New Wave synth...certainly not like Flock Of Seagulls..but they evolved with less synth and more guitars as time marched on...
TFF is an interesting band for this reason, if nothing else. They started out as dark, new wave synth band for sure with "The Hurting". But according to interviews I've read with Orzabal, "Seeds of Love" is the album he always wanted to make. "The Hurting" is a synth album because that's the gear they had to work with at the time, the album they could afford to make, and is dark because that's what he was going through at the period. He's said about SFTBC that life was good for them at that point. He didn't have any real reason to be dark, so he wasn't going to make a dark album along the lines of "The Hurting".

But the goth kids who made up their original hardcore fan base and LOVED "The Hurting" and still thought SFTBC was pretty good (even if they resented it having big hit singles) all HATED "Seeds". They thought it was adult-contemporary/pop sell out. Which, to address some earlier points (maybe on another thread perhaps?) is why "Elemental" and "Raoul" didn't fare well. The hardcore fan base left the band after "Seeds" and so those albums were left to succeed or fail based on how well the singles fared on the charts. They were no longer considered an "album" or "message" band.

I don't think any of their albums were ever anything more or less than what Orzabal wanted them to be at the time and within the limitations of the available money and technology at the time. Clearly he's always had a penchant for big, grandiose arrangements and productions which no one could have known at the outset. But I love the band for crossing all the different boundaries and the fact that really, none of their albums are the same and they are all quite good in their own way.

I'm still just amazed by how good and special "Everybody Loves A Happy Ending" is. Has any band ever put out a years-later "comeback" release that sounds so unlike their classic material and yet is still so good on its own? Zero attempt whatsoever to sound like anything on the first 3 big hit albums. Love that record.
 

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"Shout" was always my least favorite song on the album and I felt it should have clocked in at around no more than 3 minutes because it was way too repetitive. With this new 5.1 surround mix, I want it to keep going past the 6 and a half minute mark. I actually enjoy it better and it just sounds so good! :)
 

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I suspect a few of us are gunshy. Also, it is good to chat about the releases and give them a few more listens so our votes and comments in the polls are, for lack of a better word, settled down.
Yep..I was going to say that..in fact I was going to use gunshy..I think it's members trying to follow Jon's wishes and not "litter" the poll threads with non essential points...because one post might lead us down the "off topic" path..it happens..
 

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I have heard SFTBC 4 times already......it is a great mix by Steven Wilson.....but for me it doesnt have the WOW factor i was expecting (believe me....i hate myself for saying this) i also found more exciting the mix of Bryan Adams Reckless by Bob Clearmountain.....specially One Night Love Affair and Somebody......i dont know why some of QQ members want to give this title an 8......i found some bias toward Steven Wilson.......(by the way i love 99% of Steven's work).....but everyone should receive their fair recognition......Bob's mix is excellent.....for me it should deserve not less than 9
I think on the topic of bias you are correct...it exists...not just with Steven Wilson but with our musical preference...it's unavoidable...it's pretty easy to see there are a lot of prog music fans on this site.. some titles benefit from being in that genre when it comes to voting on polls...and that's fine...you like what you like...I like some of it...but it depends on the specific title..I can't give a blanket endorsement of the genre.....I'm more on the rock side usually...but I've tried to expand my horizons the last couple of years...I'm glad I did...I've been exposed to some great music I would have never even considered 5 years ago...it's never too late to experience new music(for me anyway)...bias even enters into the format on here...I've never been on any forum with so many SACD haters..again...you like what you like...and that's fine(I just skip the posts with charts and graphs telling me about the evils of the SACD format)...my point is bias exists everywhere..and with music being so subjective it's hard to say there are rights and wrongs...

When you say there are no WOW's on Songs From The Big Chair I would disagree..IMO Everbody Wants To Rule The World is a wow song...I have never heard it so well done...so open...of course that's my favorite song on the album so I guess bias influenced my decision..and on the topic of giving out numerical ratings it's a mixed bag in these polls...nobody should have to explain a rating of 7 or above IMO and in reality what was a 10 in 2003 might be an 8 today...that's the reality...when DVD-A was just getting started people were just so happy to get anything in surround the voting was very generous..just saying...it's only human...there are certain posters that are more generous with their ratings than others...it's just human nature..I'm just glad we have something to talk about(more surround titles)...
 

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I'm surprised more prog fans don't dig this album. It's very prog in many ways. "Working Hour" "Mothers Talk" and "Listen/Head Over Heels/Listen (live)" have a lot of prog elements. The quieter moments on the album are stuff you'd find on a Peter Gabriel album.

I always thought it something of cross between Gabriel and the 80's Yes albums.

Which, BTW, I'd love to have "Security" and "90125" in 5.1.....
 

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I'm surprised more prog fans don't dig this album. It's very prog in many ways. "Working Hour" "Mothers Talk" and "Listen/Head Over Heels/Listen (live)" have a lot of prog elements. The quieter moments on the album are stuff you'd find on a Peter Gabriel album.

I always thought it something of cross between Gabriel and the 80's Yes albums.

Which, BTW, I'd love to have "Security" and "90125" in 5.1.....
i find a lot of people write TFF off as a "pop" band (based in their hit singles) without taking time to really listen to their albums in full. they definitely have several "layers" to the band. at times, somewhat pop oriented but certainly at other times much darker with lots of prog rock influence.
 

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I think on the topic of bias you are correct...it exists...not just with Steven Wilson but with our musical preference...it's unavoidable...it's pretty easy to see there are a lot of prog music fans on this site.. some titles benefit from being in that genre when it comes to voting on polls...and that's fine...you like what you like...I like some of it...but it depends on the specific title..I can't give a blanket endorsement of the genre.....I'm more on the rock side usually...but I've tried to expand my horizons the last couple of years...I'm glad I did...I've been exposed to some great music I would have never even considered 5 years ago...it's never too late to experience new music(for me anyway)...bias even enters into the format on here...I've never been on any forum with so many SACD haters..again...you like what you like...and that's fine(I just skip the posts with charts and graphs telling me about the evils of the SACD format)...my point is bias exists everywhere..and with music being so subjective it's hard to say there are rights and wrongs...

When you say there are no WOW's on Songs From The Big Chair I would disagree..IMO Everbody Wants To Rule The World is a wow song...I have never heard it so well done...so open...of course that's my favorite song on the album so I guess bias influenced my decision..and on the topic of giving out numerical ratings it's a mixed bag in these polls...nobody should have to explain a rating of 7 or above IMO and in reality what was a 10 in 2003 might be an 8 today...that's the reality...when DVD-A was just getting started people were just so happy to get anything in surround the voting was very generous..just saying...it's only human...there are certain posters that are more generous with their ratings than others...it's just human nature..I'm just glad we have something to talk about(more surround titles)...
I really appreciate your post.......it all comes down to human nature.....sometimes bias is unavoidable.....and is normal.....by the way, Steven Wilson is a genious of our days. Maybe i was expecting a miracle from him in TFF's SFTBC.....i just wanted to feel goosebumps as when i heard Eagles Hotel California on dvd-audio or Roxy Music's Avalon in SACD or LAGQ's Guitar Heroes.....or even Steven Wilson's Insurgentes......i was expecting too much.....but i really love Head over heels and Everybody wants to rule the world......two gems in this title IMO!!!!!
 

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I felt goosebumps and I'm in awe whenever I listen to "Songs From The Big Chair' in 5.1. Maybe, it's system dependant on what one hears? I feel this walks all over "Reckless" and, to some extent, "Relayer".
 

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You guys are killing me. I've heard so many different "views" of this disc. I can't wait to get it and toss the coals to it on my system. I guess, in the end....what matters is how it sounds in YOUR listening environment.
 

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Hey guys! After listening to this several times, I wonder if it's just me: has anybody else noticed that the vocals on this release are very quiet?

I mean, e.g. in Mothers Talk or Shout, the main vocals - in the center channel - are almost completely buried.

I thought something was wrong with my system at first, so I went ahead and checked the waveforms of both the DTS and LPCM 5.1 tracks, and then I looked at and listened to the Boys and Girls SACD by Bryan Ferry for comparison. Center was perfectly fine.

How does the TFF BluRay sound to you in terms of center/vocals?
 

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Hey guys! After listening to this several times, I wonder if it's just me: has anybody else noticed that the vocals on this release are very quiet?

I mean, e.g. in Mothers Talk or Shout, the main vocals - in the center channel - are almost completely buried.

I thought something was wrong with my system at first, so I went ahead and checked the waveforms of both the DTS and LPCM 5.1 tracks, and then I looked at and listened to the Boys and Girls SACD by Bryan Ferry for comparison. Center was perfectly fine.

How does the TFF BluRay sound to you in terms of center/vocals?
Shout had that problem..of course it was part of the overall problem of that song being too "congested" or "dense"..lack of separation...didn't really notice it too much on the other songs...other than Shout...I have no problem with the balance of the album.....while not perfect...I love that disc and it will get a lot of plays..
 
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